Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)
Hi,
John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.
I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.
With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.
I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.
If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.
I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.
I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.
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Darragh Sherwin
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I am toying with the idea of trying my hand at breeding dwarf cichlids. The species I have in mind is Apistogramma cacatuoides as they seem to be relatively easy to breed as far as Apistogramma go. I know there are easier breeds to choose from but I am looking for a little bit of a challenge too. Im interested to know what tips anyone has regard to the setup and conditions that result in a viable spawn. I have been conflicting information online, especially when it comes to water so if anyone has advice it would be greatly appreciated. Cheers.
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As you say you've already done some research, I'll not go through the breeding information but will tell you that the tank-bred strains are really not too fussy with water perameters...just avoid extremes and you should be fine.
I will suggest that when you buy your stock if your tank water is appreciably different in either pH or hardness to the water the fish arrive in then pay particular attention to equalising the water differences - being tolerant of higher/lower water readings doesn't mean that tolerance will extend to 'immediate' changes.
As with most South American Dwarf (and other) Cichlids they do not like even the slightest hint of Ammonia or Nitrites and you should be especially vigilant with your water changing to keep the Nitrates and other impurities in check.
That's about all that comes to mind at the moment but if you have any other questions ask away, someone here will be able to point you in the right direction.
Oh yes, one thing I forgot is that for preference a slightly higher temperature is preferred when breeding Cacs (and other Dwarfs) say the low eighties (not sure what that is in 'new money' though) this will also help the eggs hatch a little bit more quickly and give the fry a bit of a 'head start' in life too.
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If ur going to try breed cacs you will need 1 male to 3 females they had some in kinsealy aswell as agassizi which are good to start off with.
I'm also starting to try breed Apisto try with Hongsloi and Viejtia F1.
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@ Alkiely, best of luck with your own project.
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before breeding the male is dominant but when fry arrive the roles are quickly reversed, even if the male is 3 times the size. fry of these dwarfs are tiny and grow slowly for the first few weeks but once moved to a larger tank they soon put on size. i would grow apistos on in the company of confident fearless fish such as endlers or angel fry.
it is very hard to get good specimens of cacatoides nowadays as any i see for sale have deformed mouths and poor shape but are more gaudily coloured than the wild type. they are being bred for colour at the expense of good shape.
available agasizzi or macmasteri are usually better and are just as easy to breed. they can be conditioned with live food such as whiteworms and hatched brine shrimp and frozen bloodworms/cyclops/daphnia.
anyway hope this helps.
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You are right about the Cacs' mouths becoming distorted, all my males seem to develop this deformity at around six months of age. I have been trying to breed out this deformity by selective breeding - but with no success this far. Strange, though, the females' mouths remain perfectly normal!
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Thanks a bunch for taking the time to write that eye opening reply. I have done quite a bit of reading on these dwarfs and nowhere did I hear mention of the deformities you described and after reading that I think I will leave the cacatoides well alone.
The agasizzi also caught my eye so I think I will be leaning in that direction. I have a 60 ltr tank solely for the purpose of breeding some type of dwarf and had no plans to put anything else in it, but after reading your comment you got me thinking. Should I use dithers to spread out any aggression? Also, if I go with agasizzi should I just get a pair or give the male a harem of females? Given the size of the tank I plan on using Im not sure if I would have the room for a harem as I have read that each female will require her own cave that the male will visit whilst doing his rounds.
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Apistogamma Borellii
www.dwarfcichlid.com/Apistogramma_borellii.php
I kept them and they were fabulous.
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Seriously though, those borellii are awesome. Are the females easy to come by? By the way, great site. I stumbled accross it earlier, bookmarked it, and had planned on spending the whole of tmw reading over it, but now that its in a new tab I sense I will have pixelled eyeballs in the morning...
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borelli are also fine and easy to breed. ther are several colour strains and varieties to choose from.
@john. it does appear to be the males which are affected with the crooked jaw.
even good specimens have a big mouth and desperate dan jaw, so i suspect inbreeding deformities are more noticable and concentrated on their main feature.
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Just an update...decided on the macmasteri and picked up an impressive male and two females for him to do with what he pleases

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Hey folks,
Just an update...decided on the macmasteri and picked up an impressive male and two females for him to do with what he pleases. Seriously though, they are doing well and the male has apparently already shacked up with one of the females in her cave. Pics to follow soon...
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