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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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19 Feb 2011 11:58 #1 by zale (Mark carroll)
I stuck 2 neons into a 5 litre tank (setup for breeding) lastnight. I'm looking at them now doin the business but the female is eating the eggs as soon as they fall. I thought the male was suppose to protect them for a while.

1.. Is it just cause he's inexperienced and will eventually start to chase her away or they don't ever protect the eggs full stop.

2..How often can the same female spawn (cause they are little feckers to catch).

3..Would a carpet of marbles work for neons

Cheers
B)


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20 Feb 2011 15:51 #2 by JohnH (John)
Replied by JohnH (John) on topic Re: Neon tetras
Mark,
Hello again. You might be better with (if possible) a three males-to-two females ratio, this might help with the egg predation. Secondly they are best spawned in a darkened-out tank as the eggs are phototropic (I think that's the right word to describe it - light sensitive). This would also help with the egg-eating since many would go unnoticed in almost total darkness.
Are you using a dense amount of plants to catch/hide the eggs? They are slightly adhesive and would catch up in the 'undergrowth'. Java Moss would be excellent for this purpose - and no, a carpet of marbles would be of little or no use as they eggs would be more likely to stick to them than fall through them and I always found marbles to be a bit of a 'turn-off' to the reproductive 'urge' of any Fish I would put into the tank with breeding aspirations.
Although this mightn't be the effect if covered by a dense mop of Moss.
Lastly, the females return to spawning condition pretty rapidly but you would be best served by leaving the female (or more than the one?) in situ for perhaps a week the reintroduce males (but never less than the amount of females, preferably on the 3/2 ratio) after dark then black-out the tank straight after.
The fry are tiny but hatch most times within 24-36 hours and look like slivers of glass everywhere. When you see these remove the parents but do not try to feed the fry until they are free-swimming. Then you will need infusoria to start with and brine shrimp (newly hatched) to back these up once the fry grow large enough to eat them.
Good luck with your venture.
A 'blow-by-blow' account would be nice?
John

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20 Feb 2011 17:35 #3 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
I think the fact you have a pair already is good,no need to add more to that tank. The marbles are an idea,you can do a double layer and that will stop the parents eating them, java moss or some kind of a spawning grid will also help .Once they breed,take the parents out. They will hatch after a day and then be ready with the food on the 3rd day.



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20 Feb 2011 18:15 #4 by zale (Mark carroll)
Replied by zale (Mark carroll) on topic Re: Neon tetras
Big thanks John & Gavin,
Made for good reading guys B)

Lastnight I sterilised marbles & stuck them in, then added 2 males 2 females. I'll take them out 2moro and see if anything happened, if not I'll wait till I get me hands on some moss & set it up as you said John & give that ago.....with report and setup pics.

Thanks again


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20 Feb 2011 18:32 #5 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
keep it dark also, check the plumpness of the fish to see if she has delivered.

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20 Feb 2011 18:37 - 20 Feb 2011 18:41 #6 by stretnik (stretnik)
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I've bred Cardinals, and Tetras are carnivores, having Marbles will only ensure hatching to a degree, you must remove males and females to give any fry the best chance of survival, too much light will work against successful hatching.

I succeeded using only stiff plastic mesh suspended over suckers on the Tank bottom, on top of this I had java moss teased out to be a thin layer resting on the Mesh. As far as I am aware, no Tetras practise any form of brood/egg care.

The Eggs are photosensitive so as mentioned, dark is better.

Kev.
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20 Feb 2011 18:37 #7 by zale (Mark carroll)
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Will do Gavin.


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20 Feb 2011 18:45 #8 by zale (Mark carroll)
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I succeeded using only stiff plastic mesh suspended over suckers on the Tank bottom, on top of this I had java moss teased out to be a thin layer resting on the Mesh.


Kev was the moss just to disguise the plastic mesh. Did you try without the moss, would it work.


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20 Feb 2011 18:54 - 20 Feb 2011 19:09 #9 by stretnik (stretnik)
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No, the Mesh is only to form a barrier between the Fish and the eggs, they don't care what the Mesh looks like. The Fish prefer to be aware that there is something that resembles a spawning site, this, with other Fish can be spawning mops made out of wool where they they deposit the eggs, however, in an environment where they are likely to be eaten you use the fine layer of Moss to encourage the Fish to spawn and the mesh is to allow the Eggs to drop through to the Tank floor.

Now that I think back, I think I had a couple of mm of quartz Sand on the bottom but only a light layer.
Kev.

Oops ! I made a mistake re the Tetra brood care issue, Poecilocharax weitzmani, Black Darter Tetras practise brood care.

www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/profiles/black-darter-tetra/
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20 Feb 2011 19:39 #10 by zale (Mark carroll)
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Oops ! I made a mistake re the Tetra brood care issue, Poecilocharax weitzmani, Black Darter Tetras practise brood care.

www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/profiles/black-darter-tetra/


Unforgivable :laugh:

Let ye know how it goes..


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26 Feb 2011 09:55 #11 by zale (Mark carroll)
Replied by zale (Mark carroll) on topic Re: Neon tetras
Quick update....

I was going to clean out the marbles and tank and leave breeding the tetras for a while cause 3 of my guppies had fry within 2 days of each other, my hands are full :P

Low and behold I spotted 3 tetra eggs that hadn't been eaten and now have 3 tiny week old fry swimming around like mad.

Looking forward to trying this on a bigger scale.....I'll try for 4 next time :laugh:


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26 Feb 2011 15:41 #12 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
Excellent,so what did you do to encourgage them? What kind of lightening levels did you use or not use as the case may be.

Gavin

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28 Feb 2011 17:32 #13 by zale (Mark carroll)
Replied by zale (Mark carroll) on topic Re: Neon tetras

Excellent,so what did you do to encourgage them? What kind of lightening levels did you use or not use as the case may be.

Gavin


Sorry for delay..

Nothing special...I had them in the cabinet under the tank, temp 25*c, ph of 7.2 and same as the first time as soon as I open the cabinet door next morning they start at it.
When I was cleaning out the tank (thinking no eggs were left) I had it on the table in full sunlight when I spotted the eggs.
Because I had them in sunlight for a while I didn't think they would hatch so I just stuck the 5 litre tank on top of the main tank with a green t-shirt over it and let the heat generated from the lights to heat the underneath of 5 litre tank. Had to shine a light in from the side to see them bouncing off the bottom.

I can't get my hands on moss yet but do have a plastic mesh so as soon as I get time I'll give this a proper go. B)


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28 Feb 2011 19:01 #14 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
Great stuff,You got food ready for them? My PH is low..grrr!

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