Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)
Hi,
John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.
I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.
With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.
I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.
If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.
I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.
I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.
Thank you
Darragh Sherwin
The Most Humane Way to Euthanize a Fish?
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it would cause stress and pain
Quick is best the same way you kill a trout you catch crack on the head
and its over in a second might be worse on you but not the fish
the other method in my opinion is worse on the fish a slow drawn out death.
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The 2 could be very different......often us humans call something humane when, as observers, we don't see a struggle or lots of guts.
But, that is a philosophical topic to feed many a debate (just like the 'humane' death-penalty I guess).
Clove oil is an anaesthetic that will kill fish and has been used extensively.
Some people have used a heavy brick dropped on the fish from a height.
Flushing down the toilet, feeding to other fish, and gently squeezing the fish under foot in a newspaper are not really good options.
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that method is more like torture it takes a while for the fish to die
it would cause stress and pain
Quick is best the same way you kill a trout you catch crack on the head
and its over in a second might be worse on you but not the fish
the other method in my opinion is worse on the fish a slow drawn out death.
If I am to go by Lab results, the Slowing of the metabolism leads to the inability of the Neurons etc to transmit Chemically signals to the Brain so in essence the Fish enters torpor and it's body shuts down, I offered this as an alternative to squashing or knocking against a hard surface ( my favourite )for those too squeamish to do so.
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There are many methods available, each will have its devotees, and its detractors.
Freezing, if done correctly, is as already said, one of the best methods, as is the use of Clove OIl.
I did a quick search on the web and found the following sites......
www.badmanstropicalfish.com/forum/index.php?topic=1280.0
www.fishchannel.com/fish-health/euthanasia.aspx
www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/tropical-fis...-euthanize-fish-698/
homepage.ntlworld.com/faustus/nicoldaquaria/euthanasia.htm
There are some strange methods used, some beyond belief.
Here is a few methods which I have found. Please note that I do not advocate the use of these methods.
"Drop him into my tank with 2 turtles. He would be there for 3 seconds."
"I'd say the garbage disposal is probably just about as humane, from a quickest is best standpoint."
"Pop it in the blender"
and the most common one
"Flush it"
I am sure that there are more crazy methods and fishkeepers out there............
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From what you said and from what i found online,Clover oil seems to be the best way to go all round...I prefer the idea that the fish has being put 'asleep' and then killed as i would know for certain it died peacefully and under no stress or pain.....The freeze method is something i dont think i would have a problem doing but as a preference,i think an anaesthetic would be best for the fish and myself....Thanks again
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It is called "Anaesthetics and Sedative Techniques for Aquatic Animals" from 2008; 228 pages long, and the bible on such matters.
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But until you get the swelling down with anitbiotics, that pain will be a killer.
For deep root ganglial pain.....morphine (or some poison dart frogs).
A nice hot Phaal Curry is also good for stimulating the brain to overcome pain (but first, you need to be able to eat the Phaal curry).

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which leads nicely on to the next topic................ THE BEST WAY TO EAT A PHAAL CURRY
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A nice hot Phaal Curry is also good for stimulating the brain to overcome pain (but first, you need to be able to eat the Phaal curry).
which leads nicely on to the next topic................ THE BEST WAY TO EAT A PHAAL CURRY
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but personaly i wouldn't rely on doing it to them asleep because as were all a product of natural evolution i quite closely (maybe too close


as for the freezer method... how the hell do some come up with this... don't supose they ask the fish being frozen??

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When they discover a cure you can thaw the Fish out!

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That now leads us to a problem of having to decide not just on which method to use to euthanise a fish but, also, at what stage does the moral question of needing to eunthanise a fish come to mind?
Maybe the word Euthanise is not really appropriate......the word is 'Kill'. It is as crude as that with no frilly bits to make it sound more pleasant.
Again.....back to philosophy, sophistry, morality etc etc (and lawfulness and legality also comes into play)
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We care for our fish, creating their world, reducing pollution down with water changes, feeding them,etc. therefore it is right that we follow this caring to the end.
Do we leave a sick and dying fish to the mercy of its tank mates, picked at and being eaten alive, or do we reach for the net of freezer bag
back to the wife saying "one more tank !! over my dead body" pass the clove oil dear........
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