×
Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

Disaster in a Tropheus tank.

  • Anthony (Anthony)
  • Anthony (Anthony)'s Avatar Topic Author
  • Visitor
  • Visitor
09 May 2007 06:43 #1 by Anthony (Anthony)
Disaster in a Tropheus tank. was created by Anthony (Anthony)
I had a bit of a disaster today. My other half had to wake me up this morning as my tank was white. My 3 year old had emptied a bottle of multi vitamins into my Tropheus tank. Thats what I get for taking his suder off him last night.
I did a 50% water change and added a Carbon filther to the tank.
Personally I don`t think I am out of the woods yet. Do these vitamins contains Animal and or plant vitamins.

1 If its animal am I more than likely to get Bloat in my tank?
2 What long term damage will it do to the fish?
3 Will it be broken down by my filther or will the Carbon remove it?
4 Thank God I was finished work for another week. I intend to do another 50% tonight. How long should I keep up the water changes.

Have not fed them this morning and won`t for few days. I had 3 females holding and I am wondering will they now eat their eggs.

Please Log in to join the conversation.

More
09 May 2007 07:42 #2 by KenS (Ken Simpson)
Hi Anto,

I think you're doing all the right things. As far as I'm aware, most vitimins contain plant extracts so you should be ok. If you were to have a major problem, you probably would have seen some deaths shortly afterwards.

Another couple of water changes and the carbon should see you through it.

Regards,

Ken.

Please Log in to join the conversation.

  • ChrisM (ChrisM)
  • ChrisM (ChrisM)'s Avatar
  • Visitor
  • Visitor
09 May 2007 09:14 #3 by ChrisM (ChrisM)
Replied by ChrisM (ChrisM) on topic Re: Disaster in a Tropheus tank.
The vitamins need to be in certain conditions (uaually internal breakdown conditions like the stomach) in order to be released.In water they would easily be removed by water changes.In their raw form I dont think they would affect the fish as they would not likely absorb them seeing they have different anatomies!Also like Ken says they only contain stuff like concentrated Vitamin C, Garlic etc.If your fish go all stiff the young lad might have thrown a few of your Viagra in too!!!!

Please Log in to join the conversation.

  • Anthony (Anthony)
  • Anthony (Anthony)'s Avatar Topic Author
  • Visitor
  • Visitor
09 May 2007 09:43 #4 by Anthony (Anthony)
Replied by Anthony (Anthony) on topic Re: Disaster in a Tropheus tank.
Cheers lads.
Might end up with really healthy fish.
Goinh down to another change.

Please Log in to join the conversation.

More
09 May 2007 10:02 #5 by zebadee (zebadee)
IMO the majority of multivitamins are usually derived from plant and mineral souces with the exception of any amino acid suplements which are usually from animal collagen sources. That said they are pasturised removing any potential for pathogen contamination.

Most vitamins will oxidise quickly in oxygen so I'd add an air stone if you have one just to be safe.

I wouldn't worry about bloat.

I agree use carbon but you'll need to pay attention to the mechanical aspects of the filter as well.

Best of luck.

Please Log in to join the conversation.

  • Anthony (Anthony)
  • Anthony (Anthony)'s Avatar Topic Author
  • Visitor
  • Visitor
09 May 2007 16:11 #6 by Anthony (Anthony)
Replied by Anthony (Anthony) on topic Re: Disaster in a Tropheus tank.
I have done a 50% and a 33% so far.
I will do another 50% tomorrow and reseed my filthers from other filthers
just to give them a boost.

Please Log in to join the conversation.

More
09 May 2007 17:06 #7 by KenS (Ken Simpson)
If you don't see any problems by now, I'd say you're out of the woods.

Regards,

Ken.

Please Log in to join the conversation.

  • apistodiscus (apistodiscus)
  • apistodiscus (apistodiscus)'s Avatar
  • Visitor
  • Visitor
10 May 2007 01:43 #8 by apistodiscus (apistodiscus)
Replied by apistodiscus (apistodiscus) on topic Re: Disaster in a Tropheus tank.
No need to reseed the filter. The vitamins won't kill your filter bacteria.
I actually add Abidex to my food mixtures. An overdosis (for the lack of a better word) of vitamins will not kill your fish. An excess of Vitamin B for example will just go out woth the next pee the fish is taking. In humans an prolonged overdosis of Vitamin E will increase the risk of heart disease. Don't know of any sudies done on fish.

Please Log in to join the conversation.

  • Anthony (Anthony)
  • Anthony (Anthony)'s Avatar Topic Author
  • Visitor
  • Visitor
10 May 2007 12:18 #9 by Anthony (Anthony)
Replied by Anthony (Anthony) on topic Re: Disaster in a Tropheus tank.
I went down to the LFS and got my water tested. Those strips are way off.
Gave me a nitrate reading of 100mg/l. The dip test showed I have 1mg/l of ammonia but the guy read it wrong. I taught the vitamins were being broken down by the filther.
I bough a proper dip test by Aquarium Pharmacuticals and these were the following readings.

nh4 = 0. no2 = 0 no3 = 10mg/l.
This seems more like it because of the water changes.

Please Log in to join the conversation.

  • apistodiscus (apistodiscus)
  • apistodiscus (apistodiscus)'s Avatar
  • Visitor
  • Visitor
10 May 2007 14:15 #10 by apistodiscus (apistodiscus)
Replied by apistodiscus (apistodiscus) on topic Re: Disaster in a Tropheus tank.
All the tests we can commercially buy are prone to false readings.

Please Log in to join the conversation.

More
10 May 2007 15:11 #11 by Daragh_Owens (Daragh Owens)
Get the API liquid tests, I find the dip tests are much less accurate. Or I can bring mine on the w/e if you like.

Daragh

Please Log in to join the conversation.

  • Didihno (Didihno)
  • Didihno (Didihno)'s Avatar
  • Visitor
  • Visitor
11 May 2007 03:36 #12 by Didihno (Didihno)
Replied by Didihno (Didihno) on topic Re: Disaster in a Tropheus tank.
I have found that the tetratest dip sticks are accurate enough.
Thats compared to the API set.
They are spot on for Nitrite especially, which is the all important.
No ammonia test though.

That said, with the colour grading the results are always open to interpretation (for both types) and I'd imagine you are well screwed if you are colourblind, which a lot of us don't even know that we are.

Please Log in to join the conversation.

More
11 May 2007 03:50 #13 by KenS (Ken Simpson)
I always find the API liquid kit pretty spot on when it comes to comparing the liquid to the colour chart. I had an interpet tablet based test before that and it was a nightmare trying to match the colours.

Regards,

Ken.

Please Log in to join the conversation.

  • Anthony (Anthony)
  • Anthony (Anthony)'s Avatar Topic Author
  • Visitor
  • Visitor
11 May 2007 04:49 #14 by Anthony (Anthony)
Replied by Anthony (Anthony) on topic Re: Disaster in a Tropheus tank.
Those interpet dip tests are mies off.
I have done about a 120% water change over 18 hours on a very understocked tank and it said the nitrate was 100mg/l.

The Pharmacutical one one gave a reading of 10mg/l which is much more accurate. The pet shops use the dips to get you to buy products.

Please Log in to join the conversation.

  • Didihno (Didihno)
  • Didihno (Didihno)'s Avatar
  • Visitor
  • Visitor
11 May 2007 06:09 #15 by Didihno (Didihno)
Replied by Didihno (Didihno) on topic Re: Disaster in a Tropheus tank.

Those interpet dip tests are mies off.
I have done about a 120% water change over 18 hours on a very understocked tank and it said the nitrate was 100mg/l.

The Pharmacutical one one gave a reading of 10mg/l which is much more accurate. The pet shops use the dips to get you to buy products.


I haven't used the interpet ones.

Only Tetra 'test' and API.
Oh, and I have a laboratory ammonia dip test set too.
Not too sure its still viable though.

Please Log in to join the conversation.

  • S180de (S180de)
  • S180de (S180de)'s Avatar
  • Visitor
  • Visitor
11 May 2007 06:15 #16 by S180de (S180de)
Replied by S180de (S180de) on topic Re: Disaster in a Tropheus tank.
you might want to check the pH. vitamin c is an acid and used in high amounts in such pills. but it shouldn't matter too much in a large tank...

Please Log in to join the conversation.

  • Anthony (Anthony)
  • Anthony (Anthony)'s Avatar Topic Author
  • Visitor
  • Visitor
11 May 2007 12:11 #17 by Anthony (Anthony)
Replied by Anthony (Anthony) on topic Re: Disaster in a Tropheus tank.
I am looking for a high end ph tester. I have an electronic one but I don`t know how accurate it is. I recon its about 8.5 :lol:

Please Log in to join the conversation.

  • apistodiscus (apistodiscus)
  • apistodiscus (apistodiscus)'s Avatar
  • Visitor
  • Visitor
11 May 2007 12:20 #18 by apistodiscus (apistodiscus)
Replied by apistodiscus (apistodiscus) on topic Re: Disaster in a Tropheus tank.
You have to re calibrate electronic testers every once in a while. You need to get yourself calibration fluid. Have a look on ebay.

Vitamin C is acidic but if you have ocean rock or similar in the tank it doesn't really have an impact

Please Log in to join the conversation.

  • koinonia1 (koinonia1)
  • koinonia1 (koinonia1)'s Avatar
  • Visitor
  • Visitor
11 May 2007 13:56 #19 by koinonia1 (koinonia1)
Replied by koinonia1 (koinonia1) on topic Re: Disaster in a Tropheus tank.
I find the API Master kit very good.

I've also used the Sera Aqua Test Box good ..has loads of test but a little more complex than API as you need to use more reagents to do a test.

Please Log in to join the conversation.

  • Anthony (Anthony)
  • Anthony (Anthony)'s Avatar Topic Author
  • Visitor
  • Visitor
12 May 2007 13:04 #20 by Anthony (Anthony)
Replied by Anthony (Anthony) on topic Re: Disaster in a Tropheus tank.

You have to re calibrate electronic testers every once in a while. You need to get yourself calibration fluid. Have a look on ebay.

Vitamin C is acidic but if you have ocean rock or similar in the tank it doesn't really have an impact


I don`t have any fluid to calibrate it thats why I am looking for a decent test kit.

Please Log in to join the conversation.

  • koinonia1 (koinonia1)
  • koinonia1 (koinonia1)'s Avatar
  • Visitor
  • Visitor
12 May 2007 14:00 #21 by koinonia1 (koinonia1)
Replied by koinonia1 (koinonia1) on topic Re: Disaster in a Tropheus tank.

You have to re calibrate electronic testers every once in a while. You need to get yourself calibration fluid. Have a look on ebay.

Vitamin C is acidic but if you have ocean rock or similar in the tank it doesn't really have an impact


I don`t have any fluid to calibrate it thats why I am looking for a decent test kit.



API Master Kit has a high ph tester included

Please Log in to join the conversation.

  • Anthony (Anthony)
  • Anthony (Anthony)'s Avatar Topic Author
  • Visitor
  • Visitor
12 May 2007 16:58 #22 by Anthony (Anthony)
Replied by Anthony (Anthony) on topic Re: Disaster in a Tropheus tank.
I have all the tests I need bar the pH. LFS only had low end of scale pH tester.

Please Log in to join the conversation.

More
13 May 2007 01:12 #23 by Sean (Fr. Jack)

Those interpet dip tests are mies off.
I have done about a 120% water change over 18 hours on a very understocked tank and it said the nitrate was 100mg/l.

The Pharmacutical one one gave a reading of 10mg/l which is much more accurate. The pet shops use the dips to get you to buy products.


Thats impossibel unless the new water you are using has 100mg. Qes what the nirtate level raw coming out of the tap?

That would be a ecumenical matter!!!

Please Log in to join the conversation.

Time to create page: 0.064 seconds
Powered by Kunena Forum