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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)
Hi,
John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.
I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.
With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.
I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.
If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.
I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.
I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.
Thank you
Darragh Sherwin
Now lots of dead Corys - Update
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26 Jul 2007 20:05 #1
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There I was feeding my community at about 6pm when plop, an Albino Cory just landed on the sand in front of me, upside down, all fins out.
He was on top of some food and his mates just pushed him aside so they could eat, he swam off and looked normal.
Half an hour later he was dead.
I never thought to take a pic and he is now buried at sea but I had a good look before the big flusheroo and he seemed perfect.
All fins intact, no red blotches or cuts, all whiskers intact, full colour(for an albino).
Last thing I added to this tank was a pair of desert gobies I got out in AV on sunday morning last. One of these gobies died sometime Monday night, very dissapointing. The other seems fine. No other fish in the tank are showing any signs of disease and I haven't tested the water in a while. This is very odd, I've never seen a fish just drop dead like that. I've had him for just under a year.
Suggestions?<br><br>Post edited by: Didihno, at: 2007/07/28 23:01
He was on top of some food and his mates just pushed him aside so they could eat, he swam off and looked normal.
Half an hour later he was dead.
I never thought to take a pic and he is now buried at sea but I had a good look before the big flusheroo and he seemed perfect.
All fins intact, no red blotches or cuts, all whiskers intact, full colour(for an albino).
Last thing I added to this tank was a pair of desert gobies I got out in AV on sunday morning last. One of these gobies died sometime Monday night, very dissapointing. The other seems fine. No other fish in the tank are showing any signs of disease and I haven't tested the water in a while. This is very odd, I've never seen a fish just drop dead like that. I've had him for just under a year.
Suggestions?<br><br>Post edited by: Didihno, at: 2007/07/28 23:01
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26 Jul 2007 20:31 #2
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Replied by Anthony (Anthony) on topic Re:Dead Albino Cory
Gobys are Brackish fish and reguire a small level of marine salt.
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26 Jul 2007 20:50 #3
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Anthony wrote:
Thats what I thought but the guys in Aquatic Village said these desert gobies are freshwater.Gobys are Brackish fish and reguire a small level of marine salt.
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27 Jul 2007 00:09 #4
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Hi Sorry to hear about your loss, im very suprised you lost the goby as they will live in just about anything thats wet!!!! PH 6-9, Freshwater-Marine, temp. 6 oC-43 oC!!!! They have to be very adaptable as they come from a very hostile area. Why have you not tested the water???? Even though these fish are adaptable large changes in a small space of time could stress/kill them, please tell me your water params (Am, No2, No3 & PH), and we will take it from there........
Incidently, we keep ours at Am 0, No2 0, No3 >10 & PH 7.5, no salt!!! (they came from a breeder in Europe, he keeps them in freshwater)
Incidently, we keep ours at Am 0, No2 0, No3 >10 & PH 7.5, no salt!!! (they came from a breeder in Europe, he keeps them in freshwater)
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27 Jul 2007 04:11 #5
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Drew is right.
These critters are hard as nails. Fresh water fish but a
little salt is beneficial. He might have been sick.
Have you tested your water.
These critters are hard as nails. Fresh water fish but a
little salt is beneficial. He might have been sick.
Have you tested your water.
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27 Jul 2007 10:28 #6
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Tested last night and Am 0, No2 0, No3 @30 (can't seem to get it any lower out our way) & PH 7.6.
It was the bigger of the two that died, probably a male (nice blue fins).
There was a hint of fin damage but very little, and I don't think it was rot, more like nippage.
Tankmates are Black Widows, Neon, Glowlight Tetras, Henkels Rasboras, Assort Corys. Plecos and Apple Snails. The smaller (female?) Goby was fine last night, but doesn't seem to be an active eater at feeding time.
Food is all sorts of things, Spectrum sinking pellets, Hikari wafers, cucumber, flake etc.
P.S. Hadn't checked the params in a month. Settled system with no deaths in months. Guess I was riding my luck a bit.<br><br>Post edited by: Didihno, at: 2007/07/27 11:30
It was the bigger of the two that died, probably a male (nice blue fins).
There was a hint of fin damage but very little, and I don't think it was rot, more like nippage.
Tankmates are Black Widows, Neon, Glowlight Tetras, Henkels Rasboras, Assort Corys. Plecos and Apple Snails. The smaller (female?) Goby was fine last night, but doesn't seem to be an active eater at feeding time.
Food is all sorts of things, Spectrum sinking pellets, Hikari wafers, cucumber, flake etc.
P.S. Hadn't checked the params in a month. Settled system with no deaths in months. Guess I was riding my luck a bit.<br><br>Post edited by: Didihno, at: 2007/07/27 11:30
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27 Jul 2007 11:15 #7
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Replied by apistodiscus (apistodiscus) on topic Re:Dead Albino Cory
your gobies (or your goby in this case:( )will not require any salt. It occurs in inland freshwater. check out this link
www.austmus.gov.au/fishes/fishfacts/fish/ceremius.htm
Why your cory died is a bit of guess work. Old age? Genetic reason due to inbreeding. Or he could have caught a disease from the gobies. I doubt that though since he died very quickly. Your guess is as good as mine
www.austmus.gov.au/fishes/fishfacts/fish/ceremius.htm
Why your cory died is a bit of guess work. Old age? Genetic reason due to inbreeding. Or he could have caught a disease from the gobies. I doubt that though since he died very quickly. Your guess is as good as mine
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27 Jul 2007 16:04 #8
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Replied by Didihno (Didihno) on topic Re:Dead Albino Cory
I read up on the Gobies after I bought them (impulse buy, yeah I know).
Apparently they are short lived fish too.
The male was about 5cms long.
No idea on the cory. A mystery, but I'll be keeping a close eye on them all, especially the four Berbatus that recently joined from Wackers. (gorgeous fish)
Apparently they are short lived fish too.
The male was about 5cms long.
No idea on the cory. A mystery, but I'll be keeping a close eye on them all, especially the four Berbatus that recently joined from Wackers. (gorgeous fish)
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28 Jul 2007 21:42 #9
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I don't believe it.
Three of the four Berbatus Corys are now dead.
The three biggest and strongest too, the only one left was a runt of the purchase.
No sign of (external) disease.
I tested my params again today, Am 0, No2 0, No3 @40, Ph 7.2-7.4.
Thats four dead corys and one dead goby in four days, with no obvious signs of disease and good water. If anyone from Wackers is reading this have you had any feedback on the Berbatus corys? Not happy about this at all. That was 3x€15 I just flushed and my frustration levels are rising big time.
Three of the four Berbatus Corys are now dead.
The three biggest and strongest too, the only one left was a runt of the purchase.
No sign of (external) disease.
I tested my params again today, Am 0, No2 0, No3 @40, Ph 7.2-7.4.
Thats four dead corys and one dead goby in four days, with no obvious signs of disease and good water. If anyone from Wackers is reading this have you had any feedback on the Berbatus corys? Not happy about this at all. That was 3x€15 I just flushed and my frustration levels are rising big time.
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28 Jul 2007 23:38 #10
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Didihno wrote:
What temp is your tank? Barbatus do not like warm water at all. They need to be around 68 F. Any red marks on them when they died?
I don't believe it.
Three of the four Berbatus Corys are now dead.
What temp is your tank? Barbatus do not like warm water at all. They need to be around 68 F. Any red marks on them when they died?
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29 Jul 2007 11:55 #11
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No red marks, however the temperature was 28c, which has never been a problem before with the other community fish.
I have adjusted it down a click on the Jewel heater.
That should drop the temp nice and slow, the room itself is pretty warm, but not hot, no heating on at all, about 21c.
What would red marks be?
I was not told anything about temperature requirements for these fish.
This is not a knock against Tropical World who I believe have top notch knowledge and after sales but lads, you should really be telling customers these kinds of things, that is very cold water and places these fish in almost a species only tank! The last barbatus is small and weak looking, Daragh if can come and rescue its yours, as I am landlocked today, the missus isn't well, otherwise I expect it to perish also.
I have adjusted it down a click on the Jewel heater.
That should drop the temp nice and slow, the room itself is pretty warm, but not hot, no heating on at all, about 21c.
What would red marks be?
I was not told anything about temperature requirements for these fish.
This is not a knock against Tropical World who I believe have top notch knowledge and after sales but lads, you should really be telling customers these kinds of things, that is very cold water and places these fish in almost a species only tank! The last barbatus is small and weak looking, Daragh if can come and rescue its yours, as I am landlocked today, the missus isn't well, otherwise I expect it to perish also.
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29 Jul 2007 23:31 #12
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as daragh says barbatus (imo the adult males are the most handsome of the armoured cats) require low temp. high oxygen and acidic water and even then they are hard to keep.
having kept numerous species of corys and bred and sold to the trade twenty plus species, i am certain barbatus
are the most difficult species of all to keep. they come from cooler water near sao paulo in southern brazil, there are two types and they have recently been moved to a new genus? (can't remember the name). unlike any of the other corys adult barbatus males seriously fight. my method of keeping them was in pairs in larger tanks (30\"plus) ph below 6.5 temp around 70 and vigourous aeration. they lay their eggs in grape like clumps high up on the glass. the fry grow quickly but become delicate at about six weeks and must be given plenty of growing room. unsually for corys i found the parents rarely ate the fry. i stopped breeding them because the young fish were delicate when they were passed on to the shop tanks. the common name is bearded cat, as the mature males develop a spiny beard on snout, probably for fighting.
having kept numerous species of corys and bred and sold to the trade twenty plus species, i am certain barbatus
are the most difficult species of all to keep. they come from cooler water near sao paulo in southern brazil, there are two types and they have recently been moved to a new genus? (can't remember the name). unlike any of the other corys adult barbatus males seriously fight. my method of keeping them was in pairs in larger tanks (30\"plus) ph below 6.5 temp around 70 and vigourous aeration. they lay their eggs in grape like clumps high up on the glass. the fry grow quickly but become delicate at about six weeks and must be given plenty of growing room. unsually for corys i found the parents rarely ate the fry. i stopped breeding them because the young fish were delicate when they were passed on to the shop tanks. the common name is bearded cat, as the mature males develop a spiny beard on snout, probably for fighting.
30 tanks specialise in african cichlids, angelfish and various catfish
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Just a quick note on the underlying issue here,
A shop isnt obliged to tell you every fact when you are buying a fish.You should know what you are buying as you are responsible for it as soon as it is bagged and paid for.
Shops have some small responsibility but before impulse buys, know the general requirements for fish you think you will like or possibly impulse buy.In the long run a few hours spent researching (which can be very enjoyable)will save you the hassle of fish dying and being out of pocket!
A shop isnt obliged to tell you every fact when you are buying a fish.You should know what you are buying as you are responsible for it as soon as it is bagged and paid for.
Shops have some small responsibility but before impulse buys, know the general requirements for fish you think you will like or possibly impulse buy.In the long run a few hours spent researching (which can be very enjoyable)will save you the hassle of fish dying and being out of pocket!
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30 Jul 2007 02:00 #14
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Didihno wrote:
Didihno I am sorry I missed this post today, although I was on a few times. Where are you based and I might pick him up tomorrow evening. 28c would probably have been the cause of their demise. I got 6 from Tropical World and they are all doing well. Corydorasworld.com recomended temp is: 18ºC to 22ºC (65ºF - 72ºF)
The red marks I was asking about are blotches of red like blood under the skin usually on the flanks, it used to be referred to as red blotch disease with an unknown casue. However I thik it is generally accepted now as a bacterial infection. I have seen it with Corys, especially wild caught specimens before. Treatment with Melafix may work.
As Derek says they are not Corydoras anymore, they have moved to Scleromystax, their appearance is somewhat different from corys as are their requirements. They grow quite large, 10cm for males and slightly less for females. The males get a yollow strip down their nose between the eyes when mature and they look stunning.
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No red marks, however the temperature was 28c, ....... Daragh if can come and rescue its yours.
Didihno I am sorry I missed this post today, although I was on a few times. Where are you based and I might pick him up tomorrow evening. 28c would probably have been the cause of their demise. I got 6 from Tropical World and they are all doing well. Corydorasworld.com recomended temp is: 18ºC to 22ºC (65ºF - 72ºF)
The red marks I was asking about are blotches of red like blood under the skin usually on the flanks, it used to be referred to as red blotch disease with an unknown casue. However I thik it is generally accepted now as a bacterial infection. I have seen it with Corys, especially wild caught specimens before. Treatment with Melafix may work.
As Derek says they are not Corydoras anymore, they have moved to Scleromystax, their appearance is somewhat different from corys as are their requirements. They grow quite large, 10cm for males and slightly less for females. The males get a yollow strip down their nose between the eyes when mature and they look stunning.
Daragh
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30 Jul 2007 13:13 #15
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ChrisM wrote:
€45 of dead (not)corys when it should have been said that they require cold water and super aeration(basically not suitable for my tank).
You have me all wrong on impulse buying, the Gobys were an impulse buy, the Corys weren't. I thought 2 days before I bought them.
Usually my conversations in Wackers are like this.
'I like X fish, will it live in my community/african tank with the X type fish I have already?'
'Yes it will/No it won't'
I always ask first these days, and I sure as hell asked before dropping 60 quid on four catfish that hadn't a hope in hell of living in my tank. But I didn't ask 'Will this fish die in my 28c water?' Perhaps I should.
I'm not blaming the lad in Wackers, I don't know him, but it wasn't Gavin or Tom.
I should have known about the fish before I bought, and I won't make that mistake again, and I sure as hell will ask more questions in the future.
Not obliged Chris, but it sure would have helped.Just a quick note on the underlying issue here,
A shop isnt obliged to tell you every fact when you are buying a fish.You should know what you are buying as you are responsible for it as soon as it is bagged and paid for.
Shops have some small responsibility but before impulse buys, know the general requirements for fish you think you will like or possibly impulse buy.In the long run a few hours spent researching (which can be very enjoyable)will save you the hassle of fish dying and being out of pocket!
€45 of dead (not)corys when it should have been said that they require cold water and super aeration(basically not suitable for my tank).
You have me all wrong on impulse buying, the Gobys were an impulse buy, the Corys weren't. I thought 2 days before I bought them.
Usually my conversations in Wackers are like this.
'I like X fish, will it live in my community/african tank with the X type fish I have already?'
'Yes it will/No it won't'
I always ask first these days, and I sure as hell asked before dropping 60 quid on four catfish that hadn't a hope in hell of living in my tank. But I didn't ask 'Will this fish die in my 28c water?' Perhaps I should.
I'm not blaming the lad in Wackers, I don't know him, but it wasn't Gavin or Tom.
I should have known about the fish before I bought, and I won't make that mistake again, and I sure as hell will ask more questions in the future.
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30 Jul 2007 17:26 #16
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Didihno
Following our conversation today, here is picture of an adult male S. barbatus.
Photo courtesy of Ian Fuller. www.corydorasworld.com <br><br>Post edited by: Daragh, at: 2007/07/30 18:29
Following our conversation today, here is picture of an adult male S. barbatus.
Photo courtesy of Ian Fuller. www.corydorasworld.com <br><br>Post edited by: Daragh, at: 2007/07/30 18:29
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Good God he is impressive.
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Didihno, the problem is most lfs staff will only have a general knowledge of fishkeeping, or if they keep certain fish themselves they may know a lot about that type. you cant expect them to be experts for the crap wages they get (all lfs). its really up to you to research your fish before you buy them. in an ideal world every lfs staff would be a walking encyclopedia! but alas mon frere cest pas un monde parfait!<br><br>Post edited by: lampeye, at: 2007/07/31 08:50
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As I said already: 'I'm not blaming the lad in Wackers, I don't know him, but it wasn't Gavin or Tom'
Ultimately this has been a nasty sting, and I won't be asking anyone other than Gavin or Tom in future, as the other lads, sound as they are, obviously don't have the ridiculous knowledge G&T have. It appears I have been lulled into a false sense of security in Wackers because I wasn't warned about the special needs of the fish and as they have never given me anything less than diamond advice in the past, but like I said I only ever really dealt with Gavin and Tom.
I'd like to move on here, fish are dead and a lesson has been learned.
Thanks to all.
Ultimately this has been a nasty sting, and I won't be asking anyone other than Gavin or Tom in future, as the other lads, sound as they are, obviously don't have the ridiculous knowledge G&T have. It appears I have been lulled into a false sense of security in Wackers because I wasn't warned about the special needs of the fish and as they have never given me anything less than diamond advice in the past, but like I said I only ever really dealt with Gavin and Tom.
I'd like to move on here, fish are dead and a lesson has been learned.
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Just an update:
The Tom I was refering to above was actually Eric, one of the younger lads, and not Tom(?) the new manager.
My bad on that one. Tom gave me store credit for the berbatus. Top man!
The last Berbatus, the runt of the bunch, is alive and well.
Unbelieveble.
I got a new heater but haven't installed it yet, this should bring the temp down to around 26c.
Thanks all.
The Tom I was refering to above was actually Eric, one of the younger lads, and not Tom(?) the new manager.
My bad on that one. Tom gave me store credit for the berbatus. Top man!
The last Berbatus, the runt of the bunch, is alive and well.
Unbelieveble.
I got a new heater but haven't installed it yet, this should bring the temp down to around 26c.
Thanks all.
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