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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

Tank in melt down help

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23 Mar 2009 21:12 #1 by alkiely (alan kiely)
My rio 180l is going into melt down.......................:angry: :ohmy:

White spot nearly gone but now my dwarf gourami is just lookin bad in stays at the top of my tank at the filter, a platty that has a "clear bubble" over one of his eyes another platty that looks like he is "sheeding his skin" and in my other tank white spot has got a hold one platty dead but he hadnt got white spot.....? he looked like his insides were eaten away at him.

I sounds like i dont care about my tanks but im always at them checking everything is fine doing tests, checking temp, water changes every week

Im pulling my hair out tryin to sort it all out, i dont no whats going on everything has gone into free fall since i planted the tank 10 days ago, a i planted one plant in my other tank a week ago now its going the same way, just dont no whats going wrong

My water quality is always fine, both tanks have very similar results

PH around 7.5

Nitrate 0

Nitrite 0

GH 180

KH 220 - 240

Ammonia 0

They never really change and havnt for months.

My rio 180 is gettting cloudy looking not sure its an algea bloom coz its not in direct sunlight

Can anyone help coz im strating to go nuts.

Alan

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23 Mar 2009 21:27 - 23 Mar 2009 21:29 #2 by Alex (Alex)
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everything has gone into free fall since i planted the tank 10 days ago


Its probably the plants u got 10 days ago. the tank must have been infected where u got them,... only thing i can think of. seems u take good care of the tank so it must be the plants!

im no expert on desieses, but im sure sum1 will tell u what ur fish have and how to cure them.

Hope that clears a few things up.
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23 Mar 2009 21:30 #3 by alkiely (alan kiely)
Im really lost havnt a clue whats happening at all.......... its not just one problem its a few things and in two tanks an the only thing that has been in both is this plant

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23 Mar 2009 21:35 #4 by Alex (Alex)
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There was another case where sum1 bought new plants and the fish got infected.. it happens sometimes. thats only prob how it happend, i dont know how to solve it.

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23 Mar 2009 21:38 #5 by gerryberry (Jeff Daly)
If it was my tank i would pull out the plants ASAP and get some general treatment for the tank to hopfully get rid of whatever it is that messed up my water.

Just my opnion,i don;t keep plants so someone else with more experience might give a less drastic solution but if the plants are the only common factor to the 2 tanks then they look guilty.

GB

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23 Mar 2009 21:43 - 23 Mar 2009 21:44 #6 by Alex (Alex)
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Well i dont think there is a need to pull out the plants as the tank is already infected, kepping them in or pulling them out wouldnt make a difference. as gerryberry said u should prob find some treatment.
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23 Mar 2009 21:51 #7 by alkiely (alan kiely)
the problem is there seems to be a few different problems and im not sure whats happening! Fish with different problems and a cloudy tank.

can anyone recommend a general treatment for the tank which can help?

Alan

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23 Mar 2009 22:10 #8 by ArielBetta (Cara Keane)
IMO definitely remove the plants...if it was a fish scuppering up the entire tank you'd remove (and quarantine), same with the plant! Mrs. FP just recommended a 'fishpharm' link to help me ID my fish problem...instantly diagnosed the problem! Follow the link in that thread, can't do any harm!

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23 Mar 2009 22:14 #9 by alkiely (alan kiely)
I have it open in another tab..........:)

Found out one problem so far i think

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23 Mar 2009 22:21 #10 by Alex (Alex)
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ahh sorry! i just presumed the water the plants came in was infected..:S
anyways good u found one solution

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23 Mar 2009 22:26 #11 by ArielBetta (Cara Keane)
Good luck with finding the other solutions.
Just a thought........perhaps Admin/Moderator could install the link for sick fish???
www.fishyfarmacy.com/Q&A

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23 Mar 2009 22:30 #12 by alkiely (alan kiely)
Just lookin closely at one of my plattys he is red but just above his head along his back is "skin" is white starting to think its a fungal disease?

So i have 4 diseases at once in my tanks white spot, this fungal "skin disease", gram-negative bacterial infection of my plattys eye and something that eatS away the insides of another fish. Oh and cloudy water

WTF..............? How can all these be in my two tanks at once and how can i prove it came from the plants?

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23 Mar 2009 22:49 #13 by mrsFishpatrick (Astrid Fitzpatrick)
alkiely wrote:

Just lookin closely at one of my plattys he is red but just above his head along his back is "skin" is white starting to think its a fungal disease?

So i have 4 diseases at once in my tanks white spot, this fungal "skin disease", gram-negative bacterial infection of my plattys eye and something that eatS away the insides of another fish.quote]

The dead fish with it's insides missing, is there maybe a change it died and the tankmates had a bit of a party on it or was it intact?
Other fish would eat the tankmate if it was dead/defensless enough.

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23 Mar 2009 22:54 #14 by alkiely (alan kiely)
He was intact...... his body was caved in badly he has been eating fine this all came on last night

im lost dont no what i can do at all with so many diseases at once what to use ets.

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23 Mar 2009 23:43 - 23 Mar 2009 23:44 #15 by Valerie (Valerie)
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I am no specialist in diseases either (I have luckily been spared - crossing my fingers) and some more experienced fish keepers might come in after this post to suggest something else.

What I would do first is a large water change on both tanks. Then, I would source some broad spectrum medication such as eSHA2000 and eSHAExit which are designed for bacterial infections and white spot and can both be used in the tank at the same time.

I hope you won't have too many losses.

Valerie

Edit - don't forget to remove the black carbon sponge when adding medication
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23 Mar 2009 23:47 #16 by alkiely (alan kiely)
Havnt done a water change yet coz the meds im using for white spot says not to till i have to use again in 2days and at that its only a 30%

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24 Mar 2009 00:17 #17 by Puggy (Fergus Cooke)
Sorry to hear about the trouble in your tanks.

Dont forget, you may need to be careful what you put into your tank and then move to the other. For example, if you only have one net, your going to have to dip it in boiling water or something to sterilize it between tanks. Otherwise you may end up moving an infection from one tank to another.

Also when you get fish or plants, do not put the shop water into your tank. Do the usual thing with acclimatising your fish or plants and then net them over the sink, then pop them into the tank.

Good luck.

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24 Mar 2009 00:24 #18 by karlo (karlo kennedy)
what im going to tell you, you wont like but some people will agree with me when i say get rid of every thing ie fish plants filter sponge and start again after all you could be doing more damage in adding all the cemicals trust me when i say it but just start fresh :(

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24 Mar 2009 01:15 #19 by platty252 (Darren Dalton)
It can be hart breaking when something like this happens. Stick with it and hopefully this will soon be behind you.
From your descriptions it sounds to me like a water quality problem. I know your tests are coming back fine but there are other things like metals in the water that we dont test for.
It is unlikely that parasites, bacteria and fungus were all introduced at the same time.
When fish get stressed there immune system breaks down leaving them open to infections. This is why i think it is a water problem.

Here are a couple of things i would do. Some have already been mentioned.
Treat tank with Easha exit & 2000.
Leave the plants in the tank. If something came in on the plants the damage is done and you would only waste the plants by trowing them out.
Don't use the same nets, syphon or anything else from one tank to another. That includes taking your hand from one tank and placing it in the other.
Use liquid filtermedium by easy life as a dechlorinator. It's a little pricey but worth it. You may have to ring around to see who stocks it. Also dont use this while medicating a tank. It will remove the meds. It also makes the water a little cloudy when first introduced bu quickly clears.
For the moment i would only leave the lights on for 6 hours a day. This will be less stressful on the fish. Stress = illness.
Instead of doing a 30% water change each week do a 10-20% water changes twice a week.
When cleaning the filter only clean half the media at a time and dont clean it to ofter. Maybe every second or third week in tank water.
Make sure the tank is well aerated or the surface of the water is well agitated.
Get a vase or jar and fill it with tap water. Leave this sit over night and check to see if there is any sediment on the bottom of the vase/jar. If there is this is probably the cause of the cloudy water and could be the root of the problem with the fish.

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24 Mar 2009 01:19 #20 by platty252 (Darren Dalton)
I almost forgot, if a fish looks like it is a gonner remove it and destroy humanely. Don't let it die in the tank. This will only add to your problems.

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24 Mar 2009 12:14 #21 by alkiely (alan kiely)
Thanks for the help..........again:laugh:

I have a jug with tap water in it and half done for 3days its clear, when i do water cahnges i always use api strees coat and strees zyme, mix well then add to the tank also i try to match the water temp to the water in the tank.

I test the water from the tap always and i do test the tanks twice a week and there are never much differences between them.

Im gonna close down one tank later today remove everything and clean it and its gonna be a hospital tank ( god knows i need right now )

I have 5 fish in it with the same problems that are in my rio 180 so would i be fine putting them in?

Patty im gonna buy the stuff you posted and just see what happens, hope in a weeks time things will start to get better and i will see a difference.

Thanks again everyone for ur input, help and ideas on the problem.

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