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Hi,
John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.
I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.
With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.
I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.
If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.
I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.
I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.
Thank you
Darragh Sherwin
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02 Apr 2011 21:17 #1
by tropi-paul (Paul)
im aware with the addition of uv sterilisation , electrolytes and reducers such as calcium and magnesium to increase the redox value the tanks health is at an optimum etc just wondering has anyone dealt with the addition of calcium and magnesium in purer forms in relation to aquariums as i am mindful of how reactive they are with regular tap h2o ,( bubbles a plenty

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02 Apr 2011 21:58 #2
by igmillichip (ian millichip)
There are loads of reducing and oxidising agents.
eg acids are oxidising agents (a definition of an acid is one which accepts an electron pair); methylene blue is the classic redox indicator (because it a redox modifier) in medication.
However, the notion an oxidising agent vs a reducing agent is relative (just like the notion of an acid is relative). eg Compound A may be 'a good oxidising agent' but when put in with fluorine atoms it may just become the reducing agent as fluorine is likely the rip the electrons from most things.
But it is not a simple matter of 'increasing' redox potential as that has no real meaning.
It all depends on whether you are trying to increase a reduction potential or increase an oxidation potential.
More important is RedOx balance.
In freshwater the RedOx should be between +125 (Ox) to -200 (Red) mV;
In Marine Water the RedOx should be between +300 (Ox) to -100(Red) mV
If the values extend (decrease or increase of voltage) beyond those levels then the health of the fish suffer.
If you added metallic calcium or metallic magnesium to water then the reaction would produce strong bases, and the pH may well shoot to a high level if the amount added where too much for the buffer to cope with.
If you require general health within the fish, then a reducing environment is the aim.
If, however, you need to have healthy water with a reduced microbial count then you aim for an oxidising environment.
But if your water has an increased Ox Potential to make a low bacterial count, then you run the risk of compromising the fish health; the fish will need anti-oxidants (such as the reducing states of calcium or magnesium) as the ideal biochemical environment is a reducing environment.
Does that sound complex? it is.
RedOx is yet another item that works on balances and not necessarily on absolute values. One aspect has be oxidising whilst another aspect has to be oxidising.
In whole theory of thermodynamics, it doesn't really matter how the balance towards equilibrium is done so long as the end sum creates enough free energy to do useful work and that energy systems become as distributed as much as is possible (it isn't as simple as that....but we are talking about entropy).
Personally, adding magnesium or calcium metal would not be a great idea.
ian
Irish Tropical Fish Society (ITFS) Member.
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