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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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27 Jun 2010 14:56 #31 by Gavin (Gavin)
my tuppenece for what it's worth.I've used this site for years to promote various palces I've worked, but also I enjoy the social aspect of being able to give and get advice on fishkeeping..seasoned old hand i may be..I feel that you are never done learning..members like platy,zig, etc..etc..who have very specialised areas I will always defer to. I'm a generalist. I have to be given the nature of my job. I haven't the time or inclination to learn about one plant till my ears bleed, but these guys do and i respect them for that and love that there is a place where i can ask them their experiences..of late their like have either stopped posting or rarely do.It's a shame.I've been out of a shop for a number of months and my experience so far from talking to customers face to face is that more serious keepers have moved to other forums and regard this one as a bit of a mess currently. I think its time for a shake up. I'd hate to see the online presence of an established group go to the wall.

dont make me come over there.
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27 Jun 2010 15:00 #32 by stretnik (stretnik)
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Spot on!

Kev.
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27 Jun 2010 15:02 - 27 Jun 2010 15:05 #33 by Puddlefish (Colin McCourt)
I will always post (I have an epic comming up shortly, (again on foods) Things should keep going as is.
A Mods job is a thankless task I know speaking as a Mod on another forum, it's much more than a janitor and they don't get the recognition they deserve and quite often bare the brunt of jibes and vendettas because they have crossed a disgruntled member by putting them straight. You will always get knuckleheads trying to spoil things for others and not just in a fishkeeping sense.
I can't see no reason why all those good aquarists cant put pen to paper on a regular basis there are a myriad of topics on which to form an article. It's easy and I believe apathy reigns supreme and folks just cant be bothered. if the forum's to be a success then get of your asses and write something constructive, it dont matter what the subject matter is, it don't matter if its well written, it may well contain the holy grail that someone else has been searching for for eons.
No excuses....everyone is to blame.
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27 Jun 2010 15:05 #34 by stretnik (stretnik)
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I agree.

Kev.
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27 Jun 2010 15:16 - 27 Jun 2010 15:17 #35 by dar (darren curry)
stretnik wrote:

Bullcrap

yet if i say "sh*t" your jumping on the band wagon to get me in trouble which led me to send you that message and i apologised for my out burst but seeing as you can flaunt the rules wen you like i take that apology back

Check out the angling section, it is fantastic
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27 Jun 2010 15:19 #36 by stretnik (stretnik)
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Darren, I did not even suggest the identity of the sender of the PM, you have done just that, I would never have disclosed your Name, it was an example. You have just disclosed the contents of your pm yourself.

Kev.
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27 Jun 2010 15:22 #37 by Puddlefish (Colin McCourt)
Maybe this thread has also run its course and should now be closed.
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27 Jun 2010 15:23 #38 by stretnik (stretnik)
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Touche.

Kev.
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27 Jun 2010 15:25 #39 by dar (darren curry)
yes as i dont care if people know, but how dare you say i have no respect for rules if your doing the same, bit hypocritical KEV

Check out the angling section, it is fantastic
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27 Jun 2010 15:27 #40 by stretnik (stretnik)
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And another thread goes down the Thomas Crapper.

I'm outta here.

Kev.
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27 Jun 2010 15:29 #41 by Dioza (Adam Bell)
This thread is only going to turn into exactly what we don't want. Like 2 word replies that end up making it into a 10 page thread.

I rarely post here because as i have told people months ago, I find a certain other forum more professional. If i have a serious question i get a serious reply. Like any Irish forum we like to joke and take the pi** but when i come on here i find it hard to get a thread worth reading.

Specially when people try to be funny with the title of the thread and i go into it only to see its about something completely different.
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27 Jun 2010 15:32 #42 by dar (darren curry)
wat arguing the point you put across does not meet your satisfaction? don't bring up the point so and don't lash people out of it for things you do yourself

Check out the angling section, it is fantastic
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27 Jun 2010 15:57 #43 by Gavin (Gavin)
darren

try here for arguments.It's full of non related fish nonsense as well

www.boards.ie

dont make me come over there.
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27 Jun 2010 16:08 #44 by convict84 (sean farrell)
dar wrote:

wat arguing the point you put across does not meet your satisfaction? don't bring up the point so and don't lash people out of it for things you do yourself

this is what i agree with
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27 Jun 2010 16:11 #45 by convict84 (sean farrell)
Gavin wrote:

darren

try here for arguments.It's full of non related fish nonsense as well

www.boards.ie

this doesnt help
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27 Jun 2010 16:14 #46 by dar (darren curry)
cheers gav but we have a social and rubbish section right here where people say something in social and rubbish which if im correct is for "non fish related" they get it in the ear

Check out the angling section, it is fantastic
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27 Jun 2010 16:56 #47 by dar (darren curry)
JohnH wrote:

The issue of the youtube videos was as a result of a complaint from another Forum member and could have been handled better


this is very true as deciding on how the society is run should not be down to a complaint from "another forum member"

and john i hope you don't see this as a personal attack as this is not my intention, i'm just pointing out wat i believe is unacceptable favouritism

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27 Jun 2010 16:59 #48 by joey (joe watson)
ok i only got as far as the end of the 1st page on this thread, but one thing caught my attention. its about new users (ie myself) not getting any replies. it does seem like alot of users who know each other reply to a friends post wether they are answering a question or not. i have posted legitimate fishy qwuestions, some i would appreciate solid answers for as my troubles are putting me off a certain aspect of fishkeeping (it was plant related, i've no experience in that matter so turn to YE more experienced planted tank keepers) and only 15 minutes after my post goes up, there are 10 more recent ones about footy or what shaped clouds are outside and nobody views let alone answers a problem i have. i am certainly not alone. its as bad as facebook sometimes with a diary of what people are doing and its us novice keepers that lose out as our posts are shuffled down the recent list and go unanswered by the extremely helpful and more experienced people, such as johnh to name but one

social and rubbish should be via PM or a thread that doesn't leave serious questions at the bottom of the list and when talk like that gets into a fishy thread, moderators should be informed and act accordingly. this puts pressure on the moderators and i hope we can all appreciate the effort they put into the forum, especially the man responsible for this thread i am new here but see he tries his best to help everyone with anything he can

thanks johnh

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27 Jun 2010 21:24 #49 by sheag35 (Seamus Gillespie)
John I think you know your appreciated on the forum by those of us here a long time, and hell answer every post if you like, it is a forum so everyone has a right to their say, yes I join in the crack at times, try to help when I can and find the genuine fishkeepers here sound a lot of those I've met personally and value their thoughts and suggestions this is a great sounding post for ideas and projects and the info on hand in this forum is brilliant. As for personal attacks, bullying, victimisation anyone doing this should be severely repremanded and even banned if needs be, this is a great community and should stay that way. Yes have fun, yes learn more but if your out to deliberately be rude or attack someone just because you don't agree with them or have a personal beef with them best don't pm them or slag them off either say nothing or debate the issue. I may have dropped off in contributions lately due to work commitments but if I can contribute I will, still consider myself a beginner after 26 years and I for one want to thank all the administrators and moderators for keeping this forum alive. That's my 2 cents... Ps johnh -- I'll try to beat you to the shop every time so I can get the goodies lol ;)

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27 Jun 2010 21:24 #50 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
I think Joey is making a key point here,new users aren't getting answers and as a result aren't always coming on here because of it. Similarly experienced users aren't using the forum due to the constant social postings being put up on here and as a result one effects the other. If we could remove the social and rubbish from the recent posts section it may work out better. Alot of people on here use this forum mainly for social & rubbish so let them use it under the section,but not in the recent posts section. That may be an alternative.

Joey, I hope your post makes people realise that this is a fish forum and it is intended for people to help one another out.You are an example of a new member that we need to see in here and want to help. If you have any queries, continue to post them and hopefully in light of todays discussion we will see a more sensible and mature use of the forum from all members involved.
This topic was put up to make a point and it yet again decended into the usual 2 liner comments that have put people off coming on here. Lets not make it a "Us" and "them" situtation,but lets "ALL" work towards making the forum more user friendly,mainly fish related and encourage people to get back into the forum and contributing. I wait with baited breath to see if other members will show the maturity and sensibilty on their postings and hope we can all continue to enjoy this forum again.

Gavin
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27 Jun 2010 21:34 #51 by duzzy1 (Martin Kennedy)
I for one want to thank all the administrators and moderators for keeping this forum alive.

here here seamus ...... and beep the begrudgers
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27 Jun 2010 21:38 #52 by stretnik (stretnik)
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I have to agree with the last few comments, I can't always express myself as well as I'd like but in essence those echo my feelings to a T. I still feel like a newbie at times and get frustrated when the Mickey is taken when all that is required is a succinct answer or suggestions.

This would scare any prospective Member think twice about becoming involved.

I think, because the way the Site is constructed, i.e latest post first, you get the Thread at it's tiredest or at a point where a question is already answered, would it make sense to have the Thread always show at it's beginning? Just a thought.

Kev.
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27 Jun 2010 21:44 - 27 Jun 2010 21:47 #53 by mickdeja (Mick Whelan)
As far i know Kev, for the first post to come up, just go in to "My Profile",Edit, Update Your profile, Forum Settings and then Message Ordering. Then u can change the first post to display from the thread.

Follow me up to Carlow
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27 Jun 2010 21:45 #54 by stretnik (stretnik)
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See, I'm still learning, thanks Mick.


Kev.
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27 Jun 2010 21:46 #55 by Daragh_Owens (Daragh Owens)
The forum design and layout is what it is and neither the current or previous admins, myself included can do a lot to change it unfortunately.

I know that the owner has plans to update it but I have no timeframe on that or details of the changes.

We have requested that the Social and Rubbish section does not get updated in the most recent posts list, but as yet that has not happened and may not be possible within what options there are under the hood of this software.

All suggestions for changes are welcome but pretty futile as our hands are technically tied.

This post is also a reply to the thread started by Puddlefish on Asthetics:
www.irishfishkeepers.com/cms/component/o...d,29/id,74969/#75006


Daragh
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27 Jun 2010 21:47 #56 by sheag35 (Seamus Gillespie)
good thought stretnik, but another idea would be for newbies to check the beginners section before posting as most questions are already answered there.. or alternatively if all us long term users did a topic on each of the common newbie mistakes and submitted them as articles for easy reference for newbies, maybe the mods can help us here by putting in a new section, i am guilty myself of not answering newbie post as i have thought did they look in the beginners section first as x topic has been answered x many times... i think this articles idea might solve this and then if there are clarifications needed post away and i'll happily reply.

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27 Jun 2010 21:53 #57 by Tetra (Tetra)
It seems everyone is agreement about losing the social and rubbish section from the news feed.As I have mentioned before this forum is slightly behind in regards to others.Not only this forum have problems with members getting out of line. I can mention one well know forum which has over a 1000 times more members than this one from all over the world but yet you rarely see any fighting or smart remarks and if there are they are informed privately as not to get the thread locked or worse off topic.We need to take similar approach to how these forums are policed.

Padraig
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27 Jun 2010 21:53 #58 by Dioza (Adam Bell)
Maybe upon registration if they got an email, or even directed to a screen with a small note telling them to check the beginners section/articles for some tips/guides.
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27 Jun 2010 22:17 #59 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
I think Beginneers are quite entitled to ask questions and the odds are they will be new to the forum so may not be fully au fait with the search forum option. Its the social postings that are the real issue here along with insultive messages and pm's if that is the case.Some of the social posts are just beyond childish, and what can begin as a genine fish question,gets turned into a discussion about something totally off topic,and it just spirals from there on.
Beginneers shouldnt feel under pressure to post a question no matter how trival it may seem, that is how we all started and how we involve people in the forum. Yes we can remind them to do a search on the forum while also steering them in the right direction.
Also the article option would be a great idea as suggested by Sheag. Perhaps someone may draft up a list of articles we could do for beginners and perhaps assign or ask people if they would be willing to do an article on it. Colins articles are an example of how useful these can be and are certainly enjoyed by experienced and new members.

Gavin
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27 Jun 2010 22:38 #60 by JohnH (John)
Wow,
This post has certainly stirred up a lot of emotion – I had truthfully hoped it would have “dropped off the page” by now, indeed I am totally surprised how much attention it actually engendered!

I thank everybody who offered ‘votes of confidence’ (either publicly or by PM) – even though that wasn’t the purpose of the original post it’s nice to see how many people agree, some even only in part, with what I was trying to get across.

I have great affection for this Forum and, like Stretnik, I do not want to see it slowly descend out of existence. It’s far too important to Irish Fishkeeping for that to happen.

Here’s a suggestion (even though I know nothing about Facebook) could there not be a section set up in it, or the like, where all the non-serious subjects could be aired (as are now in our ‘Social and Rubbish’ section) and great craic and merriment could be had by all participants, leaving them then to return to the Forum afterwards to make more serious Fishkeeping posts here – because, believe me, many have very valid points to make and help to offer.

I just re-checked the Forum and see more comments - some of which have been ably answered by Daragh Owens.

I don’t know what form the proposed upgrade will take and whether or not it will be able to ‘take on’ some of the proposals made today so these will have to wait for the future.

Lastly to Dioza, I have been sending a PM to all new members welcoming them to the Forum and inviting them to contribute to the ‘Introductions/About Me’ category in order for the proverbial ‘Ice’ to be broken and to allow the rest of us to get to know the new member…I don’t see why this ‘welcome’ cannot add a pointer to the ‘Beginner’s Section’ as well. Good suggestion, thanks. I’ll get onto that presently.

Even more lastly to Darren Curry – the job of Administrator entails, among many other things, checking every officially presented complaint and acting upon it if deemed necessary. I’ve held my hands up and said that I might have handled this one better and have sorted it out personally with the member concerned – even though it was intended as a general statement for everyone, not merely him – so no, there was no favouritism there at all.

One very very last thing – people with spelling difficulties are welcome here – text abbreviations less so.

(Once again, these are observations from JohnH the Forum member, not the Administrator).

John

Ps to Seamus – message understood and point taken…you’re off my Christmas Card list (at least you would be – if I actually sent any!).

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