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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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06 Oct 2008 22:52 - 21 Oct 2008 16:59 #1 by derek (Derek Doyle)
i originally tested organic aqua for a while last year, and although i found it worked very well the fact that i had so many tanks and was instucted to leave lids open discouraged me from using it extensively. but i still continued to use it for injured or recuperating fish as the holistic effect is really good. recently i was contacted by a chap who had set up a new uncycled tank and stocked it with a few dozen adult malawis, needless to say the fish were really suffering and would not last much longer without instant action. i considered taking them home to one of my own tanks but did not feel they could make it alive. then i thought of aqua so i gave him sufficient for his tank and sent him home to try it as a last resort. the next morning he rang me with the good news, all fish had recovered and were looking for food. around the same time i had a goldfish speared by a heron make a miracle recovery re aqua. my nephew (who is a very impatient young man)set up a large malawi tank last week and i was able to add twenty biggish fish as soon as the correct water temperature was reached, again using aqua. again amazingly all fish look great.
i would strongly recommend this product as part of our armoury for quarantine and recuperating fish. it is also invaluable for a quick set up (no cycling) or for novices (overfeeding not so drastic) the tank can easily be allowed to revert to normal set up cycling at a later stage if desired.
it definitely is a great product for reducing and preventing fish suffering and unnecessary deaths esp. in the first few difficult weeks

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07 Oct 2008 09:02 #2 by louis (David Knowles)
Have to say I agree.I've been using the organic aqua in my 90L for a year and find it great.I think the water and filters is much clearer and no algae problems. A 25% water change with no dechlorinater once a month and thats it.

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07 Oct 2008 14:53 #3 by nonie (leonie troy)
I agree too. I used it back in Jan when I first got my 90l tank and put the fish straight in and not a problem. I was told not to use it by some ppl. 2 wks ago I was in my lfs and they were highly recommending it so I thought what the heck Ill give it a go. Well the effects are amazing. All of the fish look great with strong colors which my mates (who know nothing about fish) commented on!!!! All are much livlier and not sluggish looking. But the big benefit is only one water change per month!!! WOO HOOO. As i live in a samll apt this task is a pain in the a**!!!

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07 Oct 2008 18:32 #4 by Sean (Fr. Jack)

I think the marketing behind organic is good, but it make me laugh because it says \"no chemicals all natural ingredients.

HELLO THEN WHAT THE WHITE CHENICALS THAT LOOKE LIKE SALT!:woohoo: :woohoo:

A tropical fish farm I once worked on in 1991 for a short time use this organic in the neat form sodium chlorite its an oxidising agent that cancel out NH3 and NO2 using the chemical path rather than the bio bacteria path, strangely enough I did a google search on \"sodium chlorite aquarium\" and found no mention of Ekkwill even though it came up in the Ekkwill business plan how blazare.:unsure:


www.allbusiness.com/finance/3474040-1.html

Get Financing by Learning to Speak the Banker's Language
Host Hattie Bryant of Small Business School interviews Tim Hennessey of Ekkwill Waterlife, a Florida-based distributor of tropical fishset up a tropical fish farm from living in an apartment.

That would be a ecumenical matter!!!
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07 Oct 2008 23:16 #5 by derek (Derek Doyle)
hi sean good to have you back. very interesting video on how ekk will set up their fish farm with 5 dollars.

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10 Oct 2008 17:39 #6 by organicsteve (steve whiteside)

I think the marketing behind organic is good, but it make me laugh because it says \"no chemicals all natural ingredients.

HELLO THEN WHAT THE WHITE CHENICALS THAT LOOKE LIKE SALT!:woohoo: :woohoo:


Very clever Sean.
woohoo woohoo... everything is made up of chemical constituants so nothing is organic!
What we use to make Organic Aqua up from are plants that have not been produced using any added chemicals to grow or process them and minerals. Looks like salt but its not.

A tropical fish farm I once worked on in 1991 for a short time use this organic in the neat form sodium chlorite its an oxidising agent that cancel out NH3 and NO2 using the chemical path rather than the bio bacteria path, strangely enough I did a google search on \"sodium chlorite aquarium\" and found no mention of Ekkwill even though it came up in the Ekkwill business plan how blazare.:unsure:


Speaking of salt, Sodium Chloride (NaCl)is widely used to detoxify the potentially deadly effects that Nitrites have on aquarium fish. Remember putting loads of tonic salts in with your goldfish as a kid?

Would be interested in your opinion on Organic Aqua when you get around to trying it Sean.


Cheers,

Steve

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19 Oct 2008 00:29 #8 by Daragh_Owens (Daragh Owens)
I trialled Ogranic Aqua some time ago, original thread here: www.irishfishkeepers.com/cms/component/o...ew/catid,8/id,19344/ I do not use it on a regular basis - too many tanks. But I would not be without it, it is perfect for setting up a tank in a hurry. It also has definite health benefits for sick fish, it seems to relax them and slow whatever the ailment is. I have also used it to set up a tank for my nephew as a birthday present, which meant tank was set up complete with fish all the same day. No need to go through 6 weeks cycling and explaining why he was looking into an empty tank! That was 4 months ago and he has not lost 1 fish, I have not had to do anything to the tank. I just give him pre-measured dose of OA to apply himself and that's it.

I would really love to know how it works, but I don't, but that does not mean it I will not use it.

Sean, I checked your link, 300 webpages later I could not find anything relevant, maybe you could highlight what it is we are supposed to be looking for. You have a supply of OA now, why don't you try it and then report back your finding, that would be more interesting than trying to discredits something just because you don't understand how it works.

Some things I would like to know more about OA are:

- How it would interact with Polyfilter or Easy Life Fluid Filter Medium, two other products I use regularly, though I have never tried them with OA as I suspect they may work against each other.

- How was it discovered, is fishkeeping the only use of the main ingredients?

- As the proportions of the three ingredients remain constant regardless of tank capacity, there must be a better way of deliving the product instead of three separate mediums. A liquid form would be easier to administer without the need for a scales etc.


Daragh

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19 Oct 2008 01:54 #9 by JohnH (John)
While I fully respect both your's and Derek's opinions of this product I still feel not enough proof as to its efficacy has been furnished by either the formulators or the sellers of this.

I think the general fishkeeping public deserves far more in the way of evidence that it does fulfill all the claims made for it, after all, it isn't cheap. I think I must share Sean's scepticism here, I find it difficult to believe that any product can be such a complete answer to all tank setting-up headaches...

If it really is so good then surely documented evidence could be produced to support the claims made by the sellers?

The average newcomer starting up their new tank from scratch deserves better evidence, in my humble opinion.

I look forward to being convinced that my scepticism too is unfounded.

John

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19 Oct 2008 09:38 #10 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
I bought some this week and was about to add it to my tank but said Id research it abit more. I must all the reviews were good,but again the long term results are not documented.Also there seems to be a cloak of secrecy around how and why it works.

I didnt add it to my tank,instead I used more conventional methods and admit Im glad I did. However I have one key issue with the product,If I start using this product now to get my fish off to a flying start,does it mean I have to continue to use it every month,and if I discontinue using it will my fish's health go down as a result (it claims it will but I wonder is this the reason the product is out there,to produce regular customers who need the maintaince kit monthly).

In its advantage,I would say that organic aqua is probably a very useful aid to have if you need to quarantine a fish and dont have the quarantine tank up and running (as is my case most of the time :( ).

Gavin

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19 Oct 2008 10:40 - 19 Oct 2008 10:44 #11 by Daragh_Owens (Daragh Owens)
JohnH wrote:

I think the general fishkeeping public deserves far more in the way of evidence that it does fulfill all the claims made for it, after all, it isn't cheap. I think I must share Sean's scepticism here, I find it difficult to believe that any product can be such a complete answer to all tank setting-up headaches...

If it really is so good then surely documented evidence could be produced to support the claims made by the sellers?

The average newcomer starting up their new tank from scratch deserves better evidence, in my humble opinion.

I look forward to being convinced that my scepticism too is unfounded.

John


What evidence is presented with most fish medications and treatments on the market, John did you research the last dechlorinated you bought. What were the findings? Did you find exhaustive trials and technical explanations of how the product did what it claimed? I doubt it.

What are the contents and active ingredients of most WaterLife products?

Scepticism is the natural reaction to any new product, but in the absence of the information we would all like to see, testing is the only way to get over that. I would be much happier if the sceptics tried the product and then gave an opinion. There was no one more sceptical than I was and just as interested in how it works, but at least I tried it.

Anyone here that has tried it has had a positive experience, if anyone has not I would be very interested to hear about that to.

I don't want to appear that I am promoting the product, I have no association with it or the sellers and as already stated, I personally do not use it on an ongoing basis. I would just be more interested to hear from people that have used it to good or bad affect rather than follow links to 297 page technical documents that are extremely boring and irrelevant to the topic, as far as I could see or read about peoples scientism. It would be irresponsible not to be sceptical of a new product, but on the basis of various users results here, go and try it before knocking it.


Daragh
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19 Oct 2008 11:05 #12 by Daragh_Owens (Daragh Owens)
Fishowner wrote:

... Also there seems to be a cloak of secrecy around how and why it works.

... However I have one key issue with the product,If I start using this product now to get my fish off to a flying start,does it mean I have to continue to use it every month,and if I discontinue using it will my fish's health go down as a result (it claims it will but I wonder is this the reason the product is out there,to produce regular customers who need the maintaince kit monthly).

In its advantage,I would say that organic aqua is probably a very useful aid to have if you need to quarantine a fish and dont have the quarantine tank up and running (as is my case most of the time :( ).

Gavin



I suspect the \"cloak of secrecy\" is to protect the source, as the product is made of natural ingredients I imagine that there is no process or chemical to patent, therefore if the ingredients were freely available any manufacuter could be producing their own version.

You can revert a tank back from organic aqua to traditional methods at any time, any tank I have used it in has been reverted back \"naturally\", by that I mean I did not set up a new cycled tank to transfer the fish to, I simply stopped adding OA, increased water changes again and stopped washing out the filter in tap water, allowing the filter to mature with \"normal\" bacteria again. I have had no problems, however I would suggest you keep an eye on the tank while it is changed over and allow a good 4 to 6 weeks for the tank to be established again before increasing the stock load dramatically.

Will the fish’s health suffer when you stop using OA? On the one hand if they do it suggests that OA was doing a good job! However my only experience of fish health suffering post OA is on fish that were not well in the first place. As mentioned in previous posts, sick fish seems to improve in OA, while not actually cured (depending on the illness or course) they show less symptoms and stress in OA.

Using OA to set up a Q tank has two benefits, one tank available instantly and secondly as already mentioned it has a palliative effect.

This video was linked in the original thread 14 months ago:

For anyone that wants to see how the fish are doing in Organic Aqua, see video link below also posted in Fish Videos section. The first tank and the tank of Corydoras schultzei which appears at 55 seconds are two of the three OA tanks I am running. The first was a standard biologically filtered tank that was converted and the schultzei tank was a tap water job.



I think anyone woul agree that the stocking levels were testing the product to the extreme, I can't remember the size of the first tank shown, but the Corydoras schultzei featured at the 55 second mark were in an 18\" tank and there were 50 of them!!! I DO NOT RECOMMEND stocking levels like that with or without OA - that was a test and the fish were constantly monitored for about 6 weeks. They thrived, but I split them up into other tanks once I was satisified with the test.


Daragh

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20 Oct 2008 13:54 #13 by Sean (Fr. Jack)
Daragh_Owens wrote:
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What evidence is presented with most fish medications and treatments on the market, John did you research the last dechlorinated you bought. What were the findings? Daragh[/quote]

Sodium Thiosulfhate:kiss:


www.mcnearyspondsandaquaticplants.com/ht...d_dechlorinator.html

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20 Oct 2008 13:59 #14 by Sean (Fr. Jack)
Daragh_Owens wrote:
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What are the contents and active ingredients of most WaterLife products?


Scepticism is the natural reaction to any new product, but in the absence of the information we would all like to see
Daragh[/quote]

Pick just one of waterlife products and we will give you the ingredients of that one.

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20 Oct 2008 14:32 #15 by Sean (Fr. Jack)
Sean wrote:


66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:yKmL2DhqwqcJ...k&cd=3&gl=uk

www.miraclemineralsupplement.ca/

etd.lib.ttu.edu/theses/available/etd-041...d/Liu_Fujun_Diss.pdf


Sorry these links do not work any more.

There is 3 ways of removing NH3 and NO2 mechanical(aeration) chemical (so called organic:laugh: ) and organic (bacteria in your bio filter.

Sodium Chlorite is an oxidiser(not salt i.e sodoum chlorine ) is used by Ekk Will (this is a top secret they never refer to it as Sodium Chlorite they call it always quote \"super shit\" its stored in a 4 meter chemical dosing chamber and dosed into all of the freshwater systems (except Malawi's as it does not work at high pH) they have no biological filters quote \"we run on totally organic solution\":laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: \"

When I went for an interview I mention sodium chloirte they where very surprise I suspected super shite was sodium chlorite and ask me to keep it a secret:silly: , ironically if you google \"sodium chlorite aqaurims\" you come up with Ekk will business plan...bit odd.

Besides whats this about. Organic used in a new aqaurium and doing less water changes:P

When I set up a new freshwater tank it fully stocked in 48 hours (first 12hours one test fish) after 12 hours I add some medium from an existing trickle filter.

Water change: Marines never never never
Malawi 50% once a year as it takes on a yellow colour without a w/C I am serious considering a tunze ozone injection with O3 immersed sensor to accurately maintain a level which is beneficial opposed to toxic.


A bet chemical Steve some time does water changes when he is not rapping?


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20 Oct 2008 15:14 #16 by louis (David Knowles)
I have been using the organic aqua in my 90L for two years now and could'nt recomend it highly enough. In the two years nothing else has gone into the tank but organic aqua. I hav'nt bought any medications dechlorinators or anything else.one pack costing €13 a month. My water is clear,filter much cleaner, substrate cleaned up after a few months of using it. I hav'nt gravel cleaned in two years.I am not as knowledgeable as many on the site, but for me Organic Aqua works and I think the longer its used the better the tank is.

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20 Oct 2008 15:24 #17 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
In fairness no one is doubting its effectiveness however at €13 every month ie. €156 a year,its abit of a catch 22 senario,you need to keep using it to see the benefits. As for whether is natural or not,thats I think isnt in doubt,at least with water we cycle etc, its somewhat natural. But ultimately the appliance of Science is what this product is. A good product that works,but whether its the spectics in us,the old school fishkeepers, or just the general fishkeeper who likes his weekly water changes etc,there will always be people who prefer to use natural methods. (And dont be giving out to me for say adding meds like Anti whitespots,esha etc arent natural!).
Everyone has a different prospective on these things,what works for one doesnt work for another. Still in all, I reckon that it is a good product for a quarantine tank that Im going to keep a supply of just in case.

Gavin

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20 Oct 2008 16:00 #18 by mickeywallace (Michael Wallace Cath Woods)
HI folks,
while i am reading this with great interest.
I find myself at a loss.
Sean while i have great respect for you and your record speaks for it self.

but you have not put forward one post from anywhere that has said that Organic aqua is dangerous or does anything other than that stated.

While i can find many post on the net highlighting problems on almost every product available to us Aquaist. i have to say those about Organic aqua are noticeable by their absence.

i am a simple person who likes clear and simple answers the majority are those are in favour of organic aqua.

but like Gavin says the limiting factor is cost but with water meters :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: looming this will fast become the main stay of the hobby!

Mickey Wallace & Cath Woods

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20 Oct 2008 17:28 - 20 Oct 2008 22:38 #19 by derek (Derek Doyle)
I have followed this thread with interest and enjoyed reading the different viewpoints.
Organic aqua is like a get out of jail free card. The biggest problem for new tank owners is incorrect feeding leading to bio overload and fish suffering and deaths. Setting up a new tank requires getting all the parameters right, which is not that easy.

In the past i helped many people with new set ups by supplying established tank water and old filter media etc. but it was always a headache and fish died from overfeeding and ammonia and nitrite spikes. More lectures, water changes and polyfilters later the tank (and feeding regime) would settle somewhat and eventually prosper when the new owner developed some knowledge and experience.

Lately i have helped set up several tanks with organic and so far they are an unqualified success story. None of the usual mayhem or late night emergency calls. Fill tank with tap water, bring to correct temperature, add organic then fish 5 mins later, and they immediately settle and look to be fed. (crucially, even overfeeding is coped with to a large extent).

I am probably a traditional type fishkeeper and normally avoid new miracle cure-alls as novelties that are generally useless, but i unreservedly recommend organic for beginners setups. Try it for a month and then let the normal cycle take over if you like.(i have done this seamlessly)

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20 Oct 2008 21:29 #20 by Darkrin (Damien Kane)
I agree here with Derek, as i have done the same myself numerous times also.The health treatment that comes with this product can be used on its own with 'normal' biological filtration and i highly recommend doing so.

I think slagging off a product (that helps new fish keepers enjoy their fish without any hassles), isn't helping anybody.

Dayo.

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20 Oct 2008 21:33 #21 by Acara (Dave Walters)
I'm also enjoying this discussion.I havnt seen anybody mention any actual negative experiences with this product,so I will be down to you Thursday eve Dayo to pick some up.

Dave

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21 Oct 2008 09:31 #22 by davekie (David Keane)
I've been using this product for as long as Steve has had it and I feel it's about time I give Steve and Organic aqua some credit.

My tank is approx 1500L (closer to 1750L if you take the sumps into account). I set it up the conventional way but since Steve introduced me to Organic Aqua I have had no biological filtration of any kind. My water is crystal clear, my fish are extremely healthy and vibrant and I get very little algae. The small amount of algae I do get is only in the Summer and is attributable to the fact that the only place in my house big enough for the tank (which is 8x3x2) is in my living room which is South facing and gets the sun for most of the day - when we have sun, of course B)

I cannot recommend Organic highly enough. There are many people on this forum including some who have posted on this topic who have seen my tank for themselves and who, I'm sure, will back up everything I say about my tank and it's inhabitants.

What Derek said about Organic being a 'get of jail free' card reminded my of something that happened a couple of years ago:

In early 2006, my tank suffered a serious plumbing problem which resulted in the filtration being shut down for 3 days (just over 70 hours in total). The only things I had in my tank were the heaters, which I temporarily moved out of the sumps, and two air stones.
Before this problem, I had about 65 fish. 3 days later, I still had 65 fish. I did not suffer one single casualty and the only thing I can attribute this to is Organic.

Why people are still sceptical about Organic is beyond me. How much proof do people need? I have been running a 1500L tank for nearly 4 years on nothing but Organic. If that is does not qualify as proof that this stuff works, then I don't know what will.

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21 Oct 2008 16:48 #23 by derek (Derek Doyle)
another area that organic would be a huge asset is show tanks at exhibitions fishshows etc. in the past mature water and established filters would have to be lugged along to fill tanks and even then it was a bit hit and miss. but with organic its just heat the water, add the product and an airstone, and we have a guaranteed instant and healthy tank for the duration of the show.

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21 Oct 2008 17:04 #24 by ()
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For some reason, the thread seems to have been split in two (bug in the forum s/w I think).

This post has been posted by Davekie :

I've been using this product for as long as Steve has had it and I feel it's about time I give Steve and Organic aqua some credit.

My tank is approx 1500L (closer to 1750L if you take the sumps into account). I set it up the conventional way but since Steve introduced me to Organic Aqua I have had no biological filtration of any kind. My water is crystal clear, my fish are extremely healthy and vibrant and I get very little algae. The small amount of algae I do get is only in the Summer and is attributable to the fact that the only place in my house big enough for the tank (which is 8x3x2) is in my living room which is South facing and gets the sun for most of the day - when we have sun, of course

I cannot recommend Organic highly enough. There are many people on this forum including some who have posted on this topic who have seen my tank for themselves and who, I'm sure, will back up everything I say about my tank and it's inhabitants.

What Derek said about Organic being a 'get of jail free' card reminded my of something that happened a couple of years ago:

In early 2006, my tank suffered a serious plumbing problem which resulted in the filtration being shut down for 3 days (just over 70 hours in total). The only things I had in my tank were the heaters, which I temporarily moved out of the sumps, and two air stones.
Before this problem, I had about 65 fish. 3 days later, I still had 65 fish. I did not suffer one single casualty and the only thing I can attribute this to is Organic.

Why people are still sceptical about Organic is beyond me. How much proof do people need? I have been running a 1500L tank for nearly 4 years on nothing but Organic. If that is does not qualify as proof that this stuff works, then I don't know what will.
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21 Oct 2008 17:05 #25 by ()
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And this one has been posted by Nonie :

davekie I have to agree, I have been using the stuff for the last few months and it is fantastic. I did set up the tank at the beginning of the year and used it once so I could put the fish straight into the tank. After that I went the usual root and did the water change every wk (in a very small apt it is not so easy). Now I only do water changes once a month and it saves so much time.

Aswell as that the fish have never looked better and are very healthy.

IMO it is money well spent and for those of you that are sceptical about it, give it a go and IMO you wont look back!!

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21 Oct 2008 17:06 #26 by JohnH (John)

Why people are still sceptical about Organic is beyond me. How much proof do people need? I have been running a 1500L tank for nearly 4 years on nothing but Organic. If that is does not qualify as proof that this stuff works, then I don't know what will.


I'm one of those sceptics you allude to Davekie - your account is exactly what I was hoping to hear - one from someone who has used the product from start-up, through one potential disaster, right up to the present day. Obviously a very satisfied customer, likewise with Nonie...great, I'm delighted for the two of you.

But...would I use it? No, for the amount of tanks I have I wouldn't be able to afford it.

If I could afford it, however, would I use it then? - probably not...

But, if asked, would I recommend people don't use it? - No, although I hear both your's and others' endorsements of the product that would be advice 'too far' for me to give.

Would I, with no practical first hand knowledge of it recommend it (if asked) - of course not!

If it works for yourselves and you're happy with it, all well and good - work away.

In all of this my greatest objection has been the way the wholesaler of the product has hi-jacked as many threads as he could find to advocate the use of it.
This Forum does not, and never has done, exist to be a platform for anyone wanting free advertising...and I feel inclined to add AV2 into this category too.

John

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21 Oct 2008 17:24 #27 by Yasser (Sarah Cullen)
I have to put in my 2p's worth regarding the Organic Aqua. I've been using it for about 3 years (or possibly longer) and I've nothing but good to say about it. I run it in my 250 litre freshwater tank and I also run it in a tank I run in my local school.

My own tank get's well looked after and there's never a trace of algae or any problems with my fish (barring a non organic related tank wipe out a year or so ago :angry: ).

The tank I run in the school doesn't get the attention that my own tank gets but the Organic's has been a god send. All I need to do is go around once a week, put the few drops in and the teachers can be trusted to do the feeding. Once a month I go around to the school and do a water change and the tank is looking really well and again there's not a problem with fish or algae.

It really is a great product and for new fishkeepers I would highly reccommend it. It makes the hobby a lot easier and safer (for the fish).

10 out of 10 in my book B)

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21 Oct 2008 20:48 #28 by mickeywallace (Michael Wallace Cath Woods)
Thanks Valerie for combining these treads.

but this has highlighted some thing which we don't see to often
A product that can help both our marine and fresh water systems. I have not seen many post were we can all take part and have the same understanding of the product involved.

i would be very interested in seeing who is using this product in what types of tanks and set ups and maybe giving it marks out of ten.

Mickey

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21 Oct 2008 22:09 - 21 Oct 2008 22:30 #29 by Daragh_Owens (Daragh Owens)
see my post below
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21 Oct 2008 22:10 #30 by ()
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I hope this isn't getting confusing ...

Here is a post by JohnH that got split from the main thread too :

Why people are still sceptical about Organic is beyond me. How much proof do people need? I have been running a 1500L tank for nearly 4 years on nothing but Organic. If that is does not qualify as proof that this stuff works, then I don't know what will.


I'm one of those sceptics you allude to Davekie - your account is exactly what I was hoping to hear - one from someone who has used the product from start-up, through one potential disaster, right up to the present day. Obviously a very satisfied customer, likewise with Nonie...great, I'm delighted for the two of you.

But...would I use it? No, for the amount of tanks I have I wouldn't be able to afford it.

If I could afford it, however, would I use it then? - probably not...

But, if asked, would I recommend people don't use it? - No, although I hear both your's and others' endorsements of the product that would be advice 'too far' for me to give.

Would I, with no practical first hand knowledge of it recommend it (if asked) - of course not!

If it works for yourselves and you're happy with it, all well and good - work away.

In all of this my greatest objection has been the way the wholesaler of the product has hi-jacked as many threads as he could find to advocate the use of it.
This Forum does not, and never has done, exist to be a platform for anyone wanting free advertising...and I feel inclined to add AV2 into this category too.

John

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