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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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05 Jul 2011 19:08 #1 by Jim (Jim Lawlor)
I've got a 200l tank which is abolsutley plagued with planarians.

I bought it "live" second hand - but have sinced cleaned the hell out of it, including the substrate and have added an external filter.

I de-stocked it down to a single SAE and he's only fed sparingly.

Despite all this, there's planarians all over the glass all the time.

how long do they take to starve? There's snails and plants in there - but what are the planarians feeding on?

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05 Jul 2011 19:21 #2 by derek (Derek Doyle)
platys or guaramies will feed on these i think. they normally subside when feeding is not excessive. maybe u were out of the hobby too long jim lol.

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05 Jul 2011 19:52 #3 by Jim (Jim Lawlor)
Im definitely missing something alright!

There's hardly any food going into that tank - that's what really has me stumped. Maybe I'll take the last fish out and not feed at all for a while - I really dont want to strip and dismantle this tank - mainly due to its position

(and I'll try not to leave a 10 year gap again! )

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05 Jul 2011 20:50 #4 by stretnik (stretnik)
Replied by stretnik (stretnik) on topic Re: Planarian Plague
Clout is supposed to be great at ridding a Tank of Planarians and guess who has some?

Kev.

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07 Jul 2011 07:48 #5 by Katherine (Katarzyna Glebocka)
Kev,
What's Clout - I couldn't find any info on it. Maybe i haven't done proper net browsing... ;)

When I had problems with planaria (brought on the plants) I used "No-Planaria" that is safe for shrimp but harmful for snails (so try to take as many as possible from the tank if you want to keep them). Sometimes it's needed to repeat 'No-Planaria' treatment after a couple of weeks because there could be left some adult forms or eggs hidden deep in the substrate.

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07 Jul 2011 09:06 #6 by igmillichip (ian millichip)

Kev,
What's Clout - I couldn't find any info on it. Maybe i haven't done proper net browsing... ;)

When I had problems with planaria (brought on the plants) I used "No-Planaria" that is safe for shrimp but harmful for snails (so try to take as many as possible from the tank if you want to keep them). Sometimes it's needed to repeat 'No-Planaria' treatment after a couple of weeks because there could be left some adult forms or eggs hidden deep in the substrate.


Here is Clout..... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Decamethrin-2D-skeletal.png (a nice picture of it).

It's a pyrethroid insecticide similar to the stuff you find in Chrysanthemums.

ian

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07 Jul 2011 09:41 #7 by stretnik (stretnik)
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Hi Katherine,

Here is a link to Clout.

www.aquariumguys.com/clout1.html

Here are the active ingredients.

Phenylbenzylindene, dimethyl, phosphonate, methylnitro and inert ingredients as non-toxic binders


Apparantly, this med is being discontinued so supplies are limited until stocks in the USA run out.

Kev.

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07 Jul 2011 10:09 #8 by JohnH (John)
Replied by JohnH (John) on topic Re: Planarian Plague
In a controlled test I found Wormer Plus worked excellently, but could not vouch for its effectiveness in a 200 litre tank - only tried it in a small amount of liquid with them in.

John

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We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl - year after year.


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07 Jul 2011 10:20 #9 by igmillichip (ian millichip)

Hi Katherine,

Here is a link to Clout.

www.aquariumguys.com/clout1.html

Here are the active ingredients.

Phenylbenzylindene, dimethyl, phosphonate, methylnitro and inert ingredients as non-toxic binders


Apparantly, this med is being discontinued so supplies are limited until stocks in the USA run out.

Kev.


I wouldn't believe that link Kev one bit......whoever put that info on that link doesn't know much at all....looking at the chemicals they list....
there is no such chemical as dimethyl, nor phosphonate, nor methylnitro...... they are just parts of a bigger chemical (and can't exist on their own).

The active ingredient would have a name (I've shortened it somewhat) as (all one name)
like cyanophenoxyphenylmethyldibromoethenyldimethylcyclopropanecarboxylate....
or going by the structure of Clout, it would work to have a proper name to be...

[(S)-cyano-(3-phenoxyphenyl)-methyl] (1R,3R)-3-(2,2-dibromoethenyl)-2,2-dimethyl-cyclopropane-1-carboxylate

(of which it does contain dimethyl parts).

and clout will also contain a few other things (binders, stabilisers etc) as all drugs do.

Really, these products should correctly list the ingredients by their proper names especially as this particular structure has some interesting toxicology on some parts of it.

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07 Jul 2011 10:34 #10 by stretnik (stretnik)
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Suppose so but according to the Guys at KWAS ( Kitchener Waterloo Aquarium Soc) it works so it'll do for me.

Kev.

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07 Jul 2011 10:50 #11 by igmillichip (ian millichip)

Suppose so but according to the Guys at KWAS ( Kitchener Waterloo Aquarium Soc) it works so it'll do for me.

Kev.


Yep. It's one of the good olde-fashioned treatments known to be effective against things.
It is also probably sold under different trade names in different countries and for different purposes....hence why they should put the proper ingredients.

Mind you, it is not as if all fish medication have the proper active ingredients on the pack.

Waterlife, for example, are great products but notorious for being a bit coy..I could have said koi....about what exactly is in their medicines up until recently.
and looking at the contraindications for Clout, I would even suspect that some of the waterlife products used to contain it or something similar (the warning on using on pirahna being a good hint)...but who knows?

I use Waterlife's Paragon on some tanks (again another thing that you can't use certain fish such as Discus) if I suspect a general 'unknown' entity is there. But with Planaria, I don't really have problems (used when I started keeping fish and kept Oscars...they ate, so I fed, they ate, so I fed again.....and got loads of little friends climbing up the tank. Good learning curve there then).

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07 Jul 2011 18:45 #12 by derek (Derek Doyle)
[quote="igmillichip" post=101762 (all one name)
like cyanophenoxyphenylmethyldibromoethenyldimethylcyclopropanecarboxylate....
[/quote]

i think thats a welsh railway station ian :whistle:

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07 Jul 2011 18:50 #13 by igmillichip (ian millichip)

[quote="igmillichip" post=101762 (all one name)
like cyanophenoxyphenylmethyldibromoethenyldimethylcyclopropanecarboxylate....


i think thats a welsh railway station ian :whistle:[/quote]

:laugh:
Llanfair...gh.ll.ll.....gochgochgch or something like that int it?
3 years living in Wales and I only know the welsh for mens toilets and police (which sounds a bit like 'headlice'......maybe in need of a bit of Clout)

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07 Jul 2011 18:51 #14 by JohnH (John)
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[quote="igmillichip" post=101762 (all one name)
like cyanophenoxyphenylmethyldibromoethenyldimethylcyclopropanecarboxylate....


i think thats a welsh railway station ian :whistle:[/quote]

you're wrong Derek, that's the stuff I keep being offered to extend the length of a certain appendage, or is it the other stuff?

Sorry Jim, I've intruded on your serious post - anyone else and I'd be reprimanding them :crazy:

John

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11 Jul 2011 00:06 #15 by Jim (Jim Lawlor)

Clout is supposed to be great at ridding a Tank of Planarians and guess who has some?

Kev.


I can't imagine - some bloke from Glasnevin with a slight Canadian accent, ay?

What would it take to separate you from some of it? :whistle:

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11 Jul 2011 00:08 #16 by Jim (Jim Lawlor)

[quote="igmillichip" post=101762 (all one name)
like cyanophenoxyphenylmethyldibromoethenyldimethylcyclopropanecarboxylate....


i think thats a welsh railway station ian :whistle:


you're wrong Derek, that's the stuff I keep being offered to extend the length of a certain appendage, or is it the other stuff?

Sorry Jim, I've intruded on your serious post - anyone else and I'd be reprimanding them :crazy:

John[/quote]
not at all John - more entertaining than thinking about worms!

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