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Hi,
John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.
I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.
With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.
I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.
If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.
I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.
I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.
Thank you
Darragh Sherwin
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07 Aug 2011 23:26 #1
by igmillichip (ian millichip)
....you walk into a shop, and see a few fish that you like.....but, there is a 'sold' or 'hold for' sign on the tank (or, even worse, you go to buy and find out that 3 are on hold)....
...then you go back a week later and the same sign is still on the tank...'on hold'.
Now, I don't mind a few days....ie someone phoned through and asked fish to be held, or were going to go back the next day to collect them.
But, I think it is a bit cheeky to ask a shop to hold a fish for so long (unless specifically ordered in..and even then, why order a fish if someone doesn't have the facilities at the time of ordering).
Just giving out.
Do people think it is OK to have a fish on hold for week-in week-out?
or is that pushing the limits of fair-play?
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07 Aug 2011 23:40 #2
by JohnH (John)
Some of us cannot either afford to, or have other reasons to not be able to travel to the City 'at the drop of a hat' but are extremely grateful and appreciative that the Shops are kind enough to hold fish for us until we can make it.
But that doesn't excuse downright rudeness and abuse of that kindness. My feeling is that nothing subsequent would be saved for such people.
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08 Aug 2011 00:22 #3
by derek (Derek Doyle)
sometimes shops will put a not for sale or sold sign on a tank if the fish are in quarantine or being treated for some problem. or they may be minding fish for a good customer and have them on display.
also i suppose if someone prepays for fish the shop will hold them at least for a while.
there was a shop, jebis, and he would not sell a fish to customers if he did'nt like the look of them. in fact he would'nt even let a certain "well known marine fanatic" inside the shop, and made him look in through the window
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08 Aug 2011 07:42 #4
by sheag35 (Seamus Gillespie)
there was a shop, jebis, and he would not sell a fish to customers if he did'nt like the look of them. in fact he would'nt even let a certain "well known marine fanatic" inside the shop, and made him look in through the window
ha ha love it, heck if I ran a shop there would be a few tyre kickers and time wasters i'd love to ban too
but on the point of the topic yep it can be annoying but as Johnh said for some of us outside the pail we cant just drop things to get fish in these situations but appreciate shops doing this for us, yep it can be annoying i've been on both sides of this one and love the being able to get a fish held for me if i cant get up immediately but at the same time have seen fish held that i really wanted but thats the way the cookie crumbles unfortuately
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09 Aug 2011 13:14 #5
by Zoom (Zoom)
sometimes shops will put a not for sale or sold sign on a tank if the fish are in quarantine or being treated for some problem. or they may be minding fish for a good customer and have them on display.
also i suppose if someone prepays for fish the shop will hold them at least for a while.
there was a shop, jebis, and he would not sell a fish to customers if he did'nt like the look of them. in fact he would'nt even let a certain "well known marine fanatic" inside the shop, and made him look in through the window
Derek was that the guy in the tiny shop in Portabello? It wasnt even if he didn't like the look of ya, if you asked him about fish he had in the tanks and he liked them he just tell you they were not for sale and thats all you needed to know.
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09 Aug 2011 14:33 #6
by ceech (Desmond Gaynor)
when my big tank was cycling i bought all the fish i wanted that are usually snapped up and they put them in a tank in the store for me for 2 weeks , in my case i paided in full for all the fish and am a very good customer in that shop so i suppose in some cases it is ok.
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09 Aug 2011 15:33 #7
by Acara (Dave Walters)
Some of us that live in the 'pale' can't always get to the shops as soon as a list is posted either,and because of this I have many,many times missed out on what I've wanted to those who can just head on down any day.
Some people,it could be argued rather cheekily,will also ask a shop to hold new arrivals,and then delay collecting them for as long as possible,in the hope that if they are going to go belly up,as many new arrivals do,then they will do so in that 1st week or so,therefore it's not losing them money,but is the shop's expense.
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09 Aug 2011 15:55 #8
by igmillichip (ian millichip)
I think that it is a very kind act that some LFS will take a call from someone who lives in the sticks or can't get into the shop for a few days: and that is fine by me (of course.....as I favour gentlemanly acts).
It is the examples of extracting the micturate that gets me.
There have been many a time when I've seen a fish and not had the instant tank to plonk it in, and where that fish will not really take to a temp home (as some won't). So, I go home and hope that maybe the fish are still there when I go back......but then see a 'on hold' sign in view of the person not actually having a tank for the fish.
If I can walk away because of not having the correct facilities at that time, then maybe others could as well. Again, that is just me.
And, as in Acara's post.....I do believe that some people are again extracting more micturate when they put on hold a new arrival to give it time to belly-up or not. That is simply unfair.
Now, it is one thing not buying when a new arrival comes in to see what happens....but it is not fair to have it on hold and force the shop into taking the financial burden; someone else might have risked buying it upon arrival. I would be hard-pushed to put a shop under such 'on-hold' burden.
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09 Aug 2011 16:05 #9
by JohnH (John)
Two very valid posts here.
I was due to collect some ordered fish this afternoon, but due to a flat battery I will not get to Dublin in time now.
However, being somewhat honourable myself I will pay for the reserved fish even should one or more expire before the weekend...this is a 'given' and doesn't need to be said - and this should be expected of everyone who asks for/orders fish to be saved. In fact I believe it should be a stipulation, without which assurance no shop should reserve or order fish for anyone - no matter how well they know them.
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09 Aug 2011 18:12 #10
by Acara (Dave Walters)
I was in well known shop in Bethnal Green a couple of years ago,and overheard a customer asking to have some fish held,as he was going away for the weekend(or something like that),and would collect them in a few days. He was told this was not possible. He said he would pay now. It was explained that no,that was not an option either,as this had been done in the past,the fish had been held for much longer than had originally been agreed,and some had died,the new owner demanded his money back. So,in such circumstances,I can see why the shop owner would be very reluctant to do it again.
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09 Aug 2011 21:05 #11
by DJK (David Kinsella)
I'd say as a general rule most LFS have 'weeded out' the messers from your genuine honest to God fishkeeper over time. If I was spending quite a lot on a regular basis in a LFS with some bad experiences with regard to short life spans of new arrivals, I'd feel it my right to leave them in the shop for a week or so extra upon arrival to increase survival rates.
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09 Aug 2011 21:32 #12
by BlueRam (Sean Crowe)
dave thats a good point has happent me a bit in a few different LFS when i got them de first day or so that they where in although in sayin that i do say some off them shops gettin a pain in the ass off ppl askin to hold something and not turning up for wat they put on hold
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10 Aug 2011 08:54 #13
by christyg (Chris Geraghty)
dave thats a good point has happent me a bit in a few different LFS when i got them de first day or so that they where in although in sayin that i do say some off them shops gettin a pain in the ass off ppl askin to hold something and not turning up for wat they put on hold
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If lfs' were quarantining new stock properly this would solve a lot of these problems.
Now before I'm hung, drawn and quartered, I understand that many shops have limited resources and prices would have to increase, probably drastically, but there's nothing more disappointing than lovely new fish going belly up after a few days and no come back.
There has to be a happy medium.
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12 Aug 2011 13:12 #14
by derek (Derek Doyle)
]Derek was that the guy in the tiny shop in Portabello? It wasnt even if he didn't like the look of ya, if you asked him about fish he had in the tanks and he liked them he just tell you they were not for sale and thats all you needed to know.
thats the one zoom
i worked in rathmines and used to call in regularly. i suppose he was worried about letting gurriers into the shop because it was so small with no escape if they turned feral, but he always kept the door locked.
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14 Aug 2011 19:34 - 14 Aug 2011 19:36 #15
by Jim (Jim Lawlor)
I have to confess to having been guilty of leaving fish in a shop - not out of any mercenary tactic to only get survivors, just out of plain being too busy to get back & then forgetting. Since then, I haven't asked any shop to hold fish for me - because you're right - its not fair on the shop or its other customers.
As for Jebi's Aquatics - Jim Tyrell was the owner! I bought my first tank & fish off him. He was definitely a character - but in a time when some shops would let you walk home with a bag of cardinals in one arm and your first tank & equipment under the other, he at least had some morals. I often witnessed him bollocking customers for not taking care of their fish!
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