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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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03 May 2013 23:56 #1 by Arron.M (Arron)
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hi

while turning my sand i noticed that the roots i recently bought for my tank,the bit i have anchored under the sand has turned black like it has been scorched... i have no idea why this might be any advice or personal experience would be so helpful

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04 May 2013 08:57 #2 by LemonJelly (Johnny Cowley)
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it might be anaerobic bacteria, which can release hydrogen sulphide into the tank and kill your fish. that said, if you're in the habit of turning the substrate that's unlikely to happen. though i'd wait and see if anyone else concurs :whistle:

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04 May 2013 09:22 #3 by Homer (Kevin)
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Yep..... your substrate may be too deep or compacted, however, Snails while they may be suggested as a means of keeping the substrate "open" keep away from Malaysian trumpets as they will over-run your Tank, some burrowers like Kuhli Loach might help.

H.

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04 May 2013 10:23 #4 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
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As said above, it could be an area poised to produce hydrogen sulphide or other noxious thing from an anaerobic area.

It could be simply a plant melt-down.....but....be warned that that can quickly turn into the above.

What plant is it?......you will need to make sure that the plant is not planted in a such a way that will lead to parts dying off.

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04 May 2013 11:14 #5 by JustinK (Justin Kelly)
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I take it the roots are wood ?
Just keep them above the surface or the ends will rot
and go smelly.

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05 May 2013 22:03 #6 by Arron.M (Arron)
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its not really a plant it is like tree roots i bought from a pet shop and i dont know what type of wood it came from but i assume its safe because of where i bought it ... ill keep it on the surface how often should i turn the sand to stop gas build up ?

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05 May 2013 22:17 #7 by JustinK (Justin Kelly)
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How deep is the sand and what fish are in there ?
any snails ?

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05 May 2013 22:21 #8 by Arron.M (Arron)
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3 inchs at its deepest it is kinda goes in waves so its not flat...no i have no snails two clown plecos and a couple of cory cats

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05 May 2013 22:30 #9 by JustinK (Justin Kelly)
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Trumpet snaila are good for turning the sand
and the two clown plecs would stop them taking
over the tank.
You could have it at an inch if thats all thats in it.

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05 May 2013 22:33 #10 by Arron.M (Arron)
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it does look a little deep in places...i would like to add more corys aswell...could you recommend a type of snail

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05 May 2013 22:36 - 05 May 2013 22:38 #11 by Arron.M (Arron)
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sorry just seen again that you mentioned a snail, also looks like someone above said stay away from trumpet snails not sure if yous mean the same breed

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05 May 2013 23:02 #12 by LemonJelly (Johnny Cowley)
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Malaysian Trumpet Snails (or MTS) have as many fans as detractors.

The pros are that they churn up your sand as they move through it reducing the chances of anaerobic bacteria blackspots, they can be amazing at clearing algae from plants, esp broad-leaved ones and they tend to disappear during the day. Mine only appear in the hour or so before the lights go out each evening and are mostly gone the rest of the day.

The cons are that populations can explode very quickly, esp if you overfeed your fish and the snails get to take advantage of that. And short of chemical intevention or binning your sand, they can be very hard to get rid of.

Personally, I love 'em. I have 2 tanks with them even though they appeared in the first tank without any desire on my part to have them. They must have come in on plants I bought or possibly in a bag with fish. Whether you want them or not is really a matter of personal taste. Just be warned; once you've got 'em, you've got 'em :blink:

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05 May 2013 23:24 #13 by Arron.M (Arron)
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to be honest i dont think i want them ... what if i manually do it with water changes how often would be enough ?...ive been looking and so far no fish or snail that burrows is appealing

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06 May 2013 09:02 #14 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
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Try Asssasin snails, they may be of some interest to you. In terms of turning the sand,if you have no plants as such you can easily turn it with your fingers by running them through the sand or get some type of a comb and run it through the sand when your about to do a water change. The sand shouldnt be overly deep, its rare that you could get a build up of toxic gases from it unless its very deep. Ive never had a problem with my sand over the years, it gets turned up enough with water changes,and snails/ fish to keep it safe.

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06 May 2013 09:17 - 06 May 2013 09:22 #15 by Homer (Kevin)
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to be honest i dont think i want them ... what if i manually do it with water changes how often would be enough ?...i've been looking and so far no fish or snail that burrows is appealing


Wise decision to leave the Snails out of the equation, having to keep one species to keep another species under control is madness, one explosion is bad enough to deter anyone from ever getting one again, I remember watching my substrate actually ripple under the influence of thousands of these and the ones in your filter are out of sight of any predator and as such, you have a perfect nursery.

The sand at three inches is too deep, compacted and more than likely, anaerobic.

You can use a gravel hose to clean the sand, just restrict the flow and the sand should remain where it should be. Tyre Eels are good burrowers, not always on the move but will probably eat smaller Fish etc when bigger, Kuhlis will also burrow but I would suggest around 6-10 to have any effect.

Another thing to consider, should the population explode, the decaying effect will be unbelievable as they rot at an incredible rate.

H.

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