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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

Parasites? Help appreciated

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24 Mar 2014 18:51 - 24 Mar 2014 19:05 #1 by Joekinsella (joe Kinsella)
Several fish in my 80 litre have died over last week. Ammonia 0, nitrite 0 , ph 6.5, nitrate 20 on api fresh water test kit. No signs on the body's of the deceased fish that I can see anyways first to go was my Plecos next was a Cory last night was a gourami. Fish are showing weird swimming behaviour example is one of my Cory's brushing his side off the sand really fast several times, Plecos showed signs of panting before dying and the dead Cory and gourami have been sitting still for a while before they died gourami sat on ground for a few days.

My gold and dwarf gourami's are starting to do that now to any help appreciated going mad up here as this never happened before also as in new fish and plants added recently I have been adding and removing fish the last week maybe something came in on one of these.

Location: Clogherboy Navan.
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24 Mar 2014 19:16 #2 by JohnH (John)
I'm not sure if it's parasites.
Although your water readings are good my suggestion would be to do an immediate large (up to) 50% water change tonight.
This really sounds like some sort of poisoning to me - I assume you have been treating your change-water and not using water from the hot-water system?
Sorry to have to ask, but in desperate situations like this nothing can be discounted.

Does anyone have any more suggestions, please?

John

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24 Mar 2014 19:24 #3 by Joekinsella (joe Kinsella)
I done a fifty percent before I did this thread also I treat with half a cap of prime per 12litre bucket. I'll just have to keep a close eye on them for the next few days they're all eating ok.

I've recently started plants and dosing easy carbo 2.5 mils daily and profito 7.5 mils weekly and fertiliser balls for under plants could these affect the fish.? do you have experience with any of these. thanks for the fast reply

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24 Mar 2014 19:31 #4 by JohnH (John)
Aha, we're on a similar thought level.
I have used both of these plant medications and have had no problem with them but something jogs at the back of my mind about the dangers of over-dosing with them, but from your answer you haven't been 'guilty' of that.

Like you suggest, keep a close eye on things and perhaps do a daily water change for the next few days (it needn't be as drastic as the 50% 'panic' one, 10-15% should be fine - we don't want you to end up with what those in the know call 'new tank syndrome' which starts the whole cycling process off again).

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24 Mar 2014 19:38 #5 by Joekinsella (joe Kinsella)
Il try half dose for the next week with the easycarbo if I've no more casualties I'll write it off as an accidental overdose. Thanks for the help I'll do a small change for the next few days and report back on Friday if all is fixed and or if I have any more heartache. Got a panic as I moved my dollars to my big tank that I only have access to weekends so I was feeling a bit stressed :D.

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24 Mar 2014 19:54 #6 by Joekinsella (joe Kinsella)
Is this something to worry about? Looking at them closer now.



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24 Mar 2014 19:54 - 24 Mar 2014 19:56 #7 by Joekinsella (joe Kinsella)
Dwarfe has a mark behind fin and opaline has it on gil area.

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24 Mar 2014 21:15 #8 by hammie (Neil Hammerton)

I done a fifty percent before I did this thread also I treat with half a cap of prime per 12litre bucket.


I'm a little concerned about the q mount of Prime you are Using to be honest. Maybe Itsjust me!1Cap full treats 200 litres
to me haIf a Cap per bucket is major overdose

1 doubt that this Is a factor But it would do no harm to Make sure

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24 Mar 2014 22:30 #9 by Joekinsella (joe Kinsella)
It's safe to overdose 5 times the limit on the bottle but that's just for emergency. il cut down to one ml or half a mil per bucket it's just wen i see how little I put in compared to other products that make tap water safe makes me think that it's not enough but il take that into factor aswell. Thanks hammie for the response.

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24 Mar 2014 23:02 #10 by Gonefishy (Brian oneill)
I agree with Hammie here. It's 0.5ml per 20l is the correct doseage which is .25 per 10l. Adding a capful is about 5ml which is a possible 20 fold over doseage. If your adding it to 12l of water (rough maths)....this would def cause the fish to gasp at surface in my opinion...large water change and considerable cut back in prime....hope things look up somewhat....

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24 Mar 2014 23:17 #11 by Joekinsella (joe Kinsella)
Il lower it first ting in the morn with my next water change. Friends of mine did the cap per bucket so I just followed suit I'll pass on the info to them aswel never realised OD was an option so thanks for the help so far.

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25 Mar 2014 08:42 - 25 Mar 2014 08:43 #12 by hammie (Neil Hammerton)
1/2 a cap will treat 100 litres so with 1/2 cap per 12 litres this is almost 8.3 x dosage!
which is why it would concern me....

It does advise that up to 5 x dosage is allowed to detoxify amonia etc but that is only an emergency situation and not a prolonged dosage!!!

With not being a toxicoligist I am unsure of the exact effect of a prolongued OD of Prime, but I dont think it would be a good thing and I would strongly look this direction for reasons your having fish suffering / dieing at present (I could be wrong tho)

I use 2 cap fulls directly into my 350 litre when doing water changes.
Because its added directly to the tank and not to the water being changed it advises that you use dosage at tank level this way!!!
Maybe you could do a 2ml dosage direct to tank when doing water changes? (assuming it is a 80l tank)
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25 Mar 2014 16:21 #13 by Joekinsella (joe Kinsella)
I'll try dosing the 4 mils to the tank from now on and yea it's an 86 litre tank. Came home to find a bubble nest today it's a half arsed attempt but still a nest could I assume this is because they are more relaxed? Taking all responses into consideration no deaths today either all look fine for now anyways.

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01 Apr 2014 21:03 #14 by Joekinsella (joe Kinsella)
100 percent stability no more losses since the thread has been made. Thanks for the help was due to overdose of chemicals.

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01 Apr 2014 21:12 #15 by Gonefishy (Brian oneill)

100 percent stability no more losses since the thread has been made. Thanks for the help was due to overdose of chemicals.


Great news Joe...delighted it all panned out....

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01 Apr 2014 21:16 #16 by Joekinsella (joe Kinsella)
So am I. Glad I didn't buy a load of stuff to medicate for something that was not there as I would probably still be over dosing the fish. Thanks all for the help.

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