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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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23 Jul 2007 17:59 #1 by mickeywallace (Michael Wallace Cath Woods)
Any suggestions on how to feed these guys to my guppy fry i have read that at about 24 hours they start feeding so was thinking i might add them tomorrow when doing a water change as they are filter feeders might reduce any micro food in the water do the fry might have other ideas i am sure some will find their way into the filter and stay til they are larger. To be honest I've never feed live food before and these are fresh water shrimp so they should survive in the tank.

i was also wondering if allowed to grow would they be suitable for loaches(clown/yo yo)? I read in Wikipedia they usually grow to about 1cm. i was advised not but glass shrimp with loaches thus this question.

it seem to be that they may have the possibility of being duel purpose a natural filter and food as they eat microalgae and are eaten by the fish. do i am most likely wrong on this!

all advice welcome

Mickey<br><br>Post edited by: mwdragondk, at: 2007/07/23 19:00

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23 Jul 2007 23:51 #2 by JohnH (John)
Mickey,
I think you were right first time - your young Guppies will polish them off pretty quickly, some might escape in the short term but my feeling is that they'll not long survive, certainly not to grow to 1cm...I could be wrong, often am, but my opinion is that these are very basic organisms which will not have much of a sense of self-preservation so would not seek out the filter as a place of refuge...although they might just stay there if the food supply is worthwhile...I'll be interested to hear your observations.
John

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24 Jul 2007 01:06 #3 by mickeywallace (Michael Wallace Cath Woods)
Hi John,
I would have to say i do agree with your thinking perfect sence to me! its a record 60 so its a jewel internal so i will but some directly in there. the tank they are in has been standing 48hours now and i started by adding stress coat to the water so will be safe in the filter. and i have to say they are very interesting and i found a site with a receipe for food for them. so who knows were it will lead still cath has agreed we need a micrscope so i get two benfits from this happy guppy fry and a reason why i have wanted a micrscope

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24 Jul 2007 02:16 #4 by Daragh_Owens (Daragh Owens)
Will be very interested to see how you get on with the freshwater shrimp, it would save mixing salt water for hatching the Brine version.

Congrats on the microscope, who would have guessed a few shrimp would be so expensive :laugh: :laugh:

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24 Jul 2007 12:19 #5 by essjay (S Jackson)
can you post a link to the ebay item. I see a few there alright but not sure which is which.

I wonder can you feed them to tangs? Just throw a few eggs into the filter and as the shrimp venture out they'll get nabbed. Not use them as a whole food but just as snacks....

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24 Jul 2007 15:12 #6 by mickeywallace (Michael Wallace Cath Woods)
i think they will be an excellent choice no running an air pump no adding/mixing salt and by buying in US dollars you save all round


cgi.ebay.ie/Freshwater-artemia-fairyshri...eZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem


if this don,t work for you the ebay user name is readesiam

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24 Jul 2007 18:39 #7 by essjay (S Jackson)
went for it... €12.25 for 20,000 eggs. Sure I'll throw a few in and see how it goes....

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24 Jul 2007 19:21 #8 by mickeywallace (Michael Wallace Cath Woods)
well folks i did my water change as planned turned lights heater and pump of in the record sixty hoovered and wiped what started the usual activity then i topped up using the tank of shrimp poured them on to the empty cavity in the jewel system at first there was no reaction but when i replaced hood and turned on the system there was a few minutes of investigation then the frenzy started and is still on going longer than the normal feeding time everything is been tasted studied they are like a predators around the pump waiting waiting for liquid gold to be expelled.

Was it worth it a big yes! Fry i was considering for a cull are revitalised colour has become more noticeable, i will i order this again not alone will i order again yes i will be going for a lot more next time. i struck very lucky first time i got a prompt supplier from what i read readesiam is ah highly regarded seller on ebay and i can only sing his praises as well.

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24 Jul 2007 19:31 #9 by essjay (S Jackson)
they sound too good to be true. They live off algae, so even if my fish don't go for them they'll at least be cleaning the tank. Have a feeling they won't last long though.....

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24 Jul 2007 22:47 #10 by Didihno (Didihno)
Replied by Didihno (Didihno) on topic Re:what to do next with fairy shrimp
Just bought two lots myself.
Thanks for the tip.

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13 Aug 2007 12:11 #11 by Didihno (Didihno)
Replied by Didihno (Didihno) on topic Re:what to do next with fairy shrimp
My hatchery is here but still no eggs!
I got a hatchery from ebay Germany, it is a flat disc shaped one.
With a little modification it can go right in the tank.

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13 Aug 2007 13:29 #12 by essjay (S Jackson)
yeah - no sign on my eggs yet. They were shipped on the 30th July.

I didn't bother with a hatchery as such. Just a piece of pipe blocked at one end and a grill on the other. Hopefully when they hatch they will swim towards the light.

Hope it works - will post a photo once I have it installed.

Post a link to the hatchery you got.....

I was watching one on eBay myself but a bidder called \&quot;platy252\&quot; was bidding on it, so left it off...

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13 Aug 2007 14:40 #13 by Didihno (Didihno)
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Sure, here it is:
cgi.ebay.ie/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...K:MEWN:IT&ih=009
Its a lot bigger than it looks!
Easily 1.5\&quot; tall by 6\&quot; dia.

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13 Aug 2007 14:55 #14 by essjay (S Jackson)
goos stuff, cheers.

How does it work though?

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13 Aug 2007 22:19 #15 by Didihno (Didihno)
Replied by Didihno (Didihno) on topic Re:what to do next with fairy shrimp
Well you get the figs and you get the dough and ....er.....

Not sure it really does anything mate, only provide the critters with a long roundabout route to the light at the centre, where they get munched!!!

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14 Aug 2007 07:36 #16 by essjay (S Jackson)
cool - sure I'll try my contraption first and see if it works. Hopefully the postman will have the eggs today

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17 Aug 2007 08:49 #17 by essjay (S Jackson)
eggs arrived today.....

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17 Aug 2007 11:44 #18 by Didihno (Didihno)
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Still no sign of mine dammit.

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17 Aug 2007 11:49 #19 by essjay (S Jackson)
Did they email you a shipping date? They said mine shipped the 30th.

I put some of the eggs into my DIY contraption and they flowed right out of it. They're lighter than water so they float. Reckon your hatchery will work better. Eggs are tiny - fair bit smaller an brine shrimp I think (long time since I saw the BBS eggs)

What modifications do you need to do to it? Prob need to weight it down anyway.

Threw a few thousand eggs into a glass vase with green water in it. See how they get on. Should be some food in there for them so if I can get them to grow a bit I'll be happy....

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17 Aug 2007 12:57 #20 by mickeywallace (Michael Wallace Cath Woods)
Didihno wrote:

Still no sign of mine dammit.



contact them i know the shipping date we were giving first was wrong but when we contacted them got the correct date. from what i have seen on e-bay this guy is sound and prides himself on his rep should be now problem to be honest the problem is more on this end An Post the variation on delivery well ring your local sorting office. At times in the past they tried to only deliver multiple numbers which meant things can be sitting for weeks

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17 Aug 2007 14:22 #21 by essjay (S Jackson)
interesting read - the business plan for the guys that are producing these eggs (I think)

webserv.kmitl.ac.th/~it48066804/MIM_FairyShrimp_Final.pdf

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17 Aug 2007 17:30 #22 by essjay (S Jackson)
hatched already.....

Must have put them in the vase of green water around 10pm this morning and I can see shrimp swimming already.

That was quick!

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17 Aug 2007 17:40 #23 by mickeywallace (Michael Wallace Cath Woods)
don't empty vase for at least a week to ensure max hatch they should start to feed within 24 hours

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17 Aug 2007 17:42 #24 by mickeywallace (Michael Wallace Cath Woods)
don't empty vase for at least a week to ensure max hatch they should start to feed within 24 hours

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17 Aug 2007 17:55 #25 by essjay (S Jackson)
Have the vase beside the PC so did a quick webcam jobbie....

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17 Aug 2007 22:50 #26 by Didihno (Didihno)
Replied by Didihno (Didihno) on topic Re:what to do next with fairy shrimp
No I haven't had any mail, or at least I don't think so.
Must go check that.

What is green water?

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17 Aug 2007 23:03 #27 by essjay (S Jackson)
I just took water from my tank. There was some algae building up on the surface so I puored some of that into the vase. No idea is it the proper stuff or not....

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17 Aug 2007 23:05 #28 by mickeywallace (Michael Wallace Cath Woods)
green water is just water coloured by the algae. click \&quot;home\&quot; on this page culturing live food. very useful<br><br>Post edited by: mwdragondk, at: 2007/08/18 00:07

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18 Aug 2007 10:19 #29 by essjay (S Jackson)
13 Hours after adding water -


24 hours after adding water -


One thing I noticed as their swimming pattern has changed. At first they were swimming vertically than they'd stop and drift/sink for a few seconds before repeating the process.

Now they seem to be swimming horizontally and mostly confined to two areas of the vase, where I presume it's the brightest.

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18 Aug 2007 17:04 #30 by mickeywallace (Michael Wallace Cath Woods)
this is a copy/ paste efford!

FEEDING – The day after you first see your baby shrimp swimming around, you may
start feeding them. In the wild, fairy shrimp are filter feeders. They strain tiny particles
out of the water for food, mostly bacteria, algae, and fungal spores. In captivity, they will
live quite happily on a diet of “yeast soup”.
To make yeast soup, dissolve one packet of dried yeast (either bakers or brewers yeast),
one teaspoon of sugar, and a big pinch of crushed fish food flakes in 1/3 cup of hot water
(around 100 degrees, microwave some of your spring water). Mix well, and let it sit for
about an hour to activate the yeast. Be sure to use a container tall enough to allow the
yeast to bubble up. (An old plastic frosting container works well.) Store your “soup” in
the refrigerator or another cool place. This will be enough food to feed your shrimp for
weeks.
To feed your shrimp, stir or shake the mixture thoroughly. (It settles out quickly.) Use an
eyedropper or pipette to drip a few drops of the soup into the water. The baby shrimp are
still extremely tiny and need very little food. You can determine how much food is
enough by using this rule of thumb: The water should be slightly hazy, but not cloudy.
You should be able to see through it. If it becomes cloudy, stop feeding for a day or two
until it clears up. If it becomes extremely clear, feed a little bit more. Increase their food
as they grow. At about 2 weeks, the shrimp will need approximately 1 ml per day. When
they are fully grown, they will need up to 3 mls daily.<br><br>Post edited by: mwdragondk, at: 2007/08/18 18:07

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