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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

Effect of substrate colours on fish colours

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18 Oct 2010 21:30 #1 by stretnik (stretnik)
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Hi folks ,

Just looking for opinions on how the colour of your various Substrates can affect the colours of your Fish.

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18 Oct 2010 21:33 - 18 Oct 2010 21:35 #2 by Ma (mm mm)
I find the difference between dark and bright substrates is the key, dark substrates pretty much have the same result colour wise, but bright white green orange brown ect with lighting can alter the colour of the entire tank. Tetras even when colourful can look transparent with white gravel I have noticed.

And howmuch light plays a part too

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18 Oct 2010 21:44 #3 by dar (darren curry)
yeah i had the white sand, changed it to a brown gravel mix and my odessa barbs are stunning looking, colours i never thought they had. and my one neon tera looks the business. i'm gonna try black gravel down the road.

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18 Oct 2010 21:54 #4 by stretnik (stretnik)
Replied by stretnik (stretnik) on topic Re:Effect of substrate colours on fish colours
The reason I asked is I bought a large bag of Black Dennerle, I love Dennerle stuff, Kristel substrate and Intend putting a large, 50+ shoal of Cardinal tetras in with it as the background, I'v always used white/beige Sand so I'm just thinking out loud.

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18 Oct 2010 21:55 #5 by fourmations (NIall SMyth)
hi

green plant carpets enhance reds a lot
they are natural opposite colours

my 2c

rgds

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18 Oct 2010 22:04 - 18 Oct 2010 22:04 #6 by stretnik (stretnik)
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That's true where the Green Plants are concerned, Im planning to set up areas within the tank that have soil based , nutrient rich seams that I will plant into and other areas free of incorporated nutrient, just the Dennerle where there will be no plants.


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18 Oct 2010 22:10 - 18 Oct 2010 22:11 #7 by Viperbot (Jason Hughes)
Hi Kev. As you know Im using the earth coloured dennerle in the SE Asian setup and I love it. Coupled with a black background the Tigers look great. Looking foward to putting plenty of green in there to make what I hope will be a very natural looking setup. Oh, let me know what you think of plant list I posted in the tropical plant section. Your input on the greens is gold ;).

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18 Oct 2010 22:17 #8 by stretnik (stretnik)
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Will do Jay, have a bit of green for u here. Pop in when ur passing.

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18 Oct 2010 22:19 #9 by Viperbot (Jason Hughes)
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18 Oct 2010 22:28 - 18 Oct 2010 22:29 #10 by Alex (Alex)
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Sure i saw a picture of a silver dollar mimicking the colour of a spotted scat... he was the only silver dollar in the tank with a bunch of em (It was a fish shop..). So it's not just substrate and backgrounds that influence colour....
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18 Oct 2010 22:29 - 18 Oct 2010 22:45 #11 by stretnik (stretnik)
Replied by stretnik (stretnik) on topic Re:Effect of substrate colours on fish colours
Another reason I was asking for opinions is that recently, I set up a small 75 Liter with just White-ish Coral Sand , Ten Ocellatus Gold morph Shell dwellers and I've been happy with the results, I added, small clean bits of Java Fern and a small display piece of Bogwood, small enough not to affect the water, and some small Calcium based Rock.

It seemed a tad bare and well... white so I had asked about Tank mates to take up the empty space, well, Darren, aka Platty253, came to the rescue, he Donated a duo of Male Epiplatys Dageti, the result is amazing, the colours that they have as a result of the reflected light from the substrate just has to be seen to be believed.

I know his Tag is Platty252, In House joke.:P

While I'm at it, anyone know where I can get Epiplatys Dageti females ?

Kev.
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18 Oct 2010 23:29 #12 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
Are there 3 (or more) questions here?
a) the effect of the gravel colour on US (eg our perception of our fishes colours such as contrast etc)
b) the physiological/psychological affect on the fish (eg mood changes), or
c) the illusion of physical reflection (or refraction) of fish colours.

The question in the thread is actually a super question, and great topic for discussion.

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18 Oct 2010 23:34 #13 by Viperbot (Jason Hughes)
Alex wrote:

Sure i saw a picture of a silver dollar mimicking the colour of a spotted scat... he was the only silver dollar in the tank with a bunch of em (It was a fish shop..). So it's not just substrate and backgrounds that influence colour....


That was most likley a Spotted Silver Dollar bro. They are a variant of the regular Silver Dollar.

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18 Oct 2010 23:38 #14 by dar (darren curry)
yeah i noticed with the bursting colours the barbs are more interactive with each other so to speak, where as with the light coloured sand they just kicked the bejesus out of each other with one imparticular on the receiving end of numerous of trashings

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19 Oct 2010 13:42 #15 by Ma (mm mm)
For Cardinals I have had black gravel with green of the plants and they looked awesome as did almost every other Tetra in there.


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