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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

Euthanasia

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20 Mar 2011 09:57 #1 by David (David)
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Is using euthanasia to put a sick and dying fish or other aquarium animal out of its misery a humane practice or not?

What is considered to be the least painful way to do this?

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20 Mar 2011 10:12 - 20 Mar 2011 15:21 #2 by stretnik (stretnik)
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Can of Worms time again David, there are many suggestions coming your way in a while but suffice it to say, no one way is right or wrong, it all comes down to your sensitivity and your up-bringing.

There are various methods, some work only with small Fish, others with larger fish.

On smaller Fish, placing the Fish into a bowl of Tankwater and placing the Bowl into the Freezer, the Fish's metabolism will slow down to the point where it dies, I have looked at the frozen water and have seen that the fish remain in an upright position leading me to believe they become comatose and don't freak out so to speak.

Another way is to anaesthetise the Fish via Clove Oil.

I have given sick or dying Fish a hard knock of a hard surface and this works too.

No one can say their way is right but suffice it to say that it is impossible for Humans to claim they know what is best and which method gives the least pain/suffering to the Fish.

Of course it is a Humane practise, no other Animal views things as Humans do, most of us do this out of compassion and it's a good thing.

You will find that Fishing aficionados will leave a caught Fish in a damp cloth to slowly suffocate, is that right or wrong?

Kev.
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20 Mar 2011 10:17 #3 by Acara (Dave Walters)
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I have used clove oil,but too much mucking around.Simply throw the fish as hard as you can against the brick fence(smaller fish).It's extremely quick,and is painless.Bigger fish,put on ground,put paper kitchen towel over head,and smash head with a hammer,again,quick and painless.Main sound gory,but it is the humanest way I know.

always on the lookout for interesting corys.pm me if you know off any!

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20 Mar 2011 13:24 #4 by eire1978 (eire1978)
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this as be talk about so many times,thhere is never a right answers only as kev says a can of worms

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20 Mar 2011 14:36 - 20 Mar 2011 14:37 #5 by David (David)
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It only becomes a can of worms when someone insist that someone else is wrong as apposed to expressing their own points of view

actually i guess ye are wright there is no debating

I am done

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20 Mar 2011 15:06 #6 by dar (darren curry)
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these subjects should be brought up every now and then as new comers haven't talked about it and it would be a boring oul site if everyone searched for answers instead of asking plus new methods could be found since then

i used the clove oil treatment. would i recommend it, no. smash the dam things head in with a cavity block (or wat ever blunt object suits your fancy) would be the best option, although i'm too pussy to do either

Check out the angling section, it is fantastic

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20 Mar 2011 16:13 #7 by ricko10 (jamie)
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i was moving a sick betta once from one tank to quarantine tank. On the way across the hall it jumped out of the net and before it hit the ground my dog jumped up and down the hatch in one. easiest method i ever found...

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20 Mar 2011 16:46 #8 by JohnH (John)
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Is using euthanasia to put a sick and dying fish or other aquarium animal out of its misery a humane practice or not?

What is considered to be the least painful way to do this?

I'm with the others in that a sharp rap with a blunt instrument is by far the least painful way...unless you happen to hit your fingers at the same time...

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20 Mar 2011 16:50 #9 by stretnik (stretnik)
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I Was fishing for Pike in Canada and decided that your suggestion was the way to go, I missed the Fish and hit my Knuckles off the Ground, I'm convinced I could hear the Pike Laughing as it flapped it's way back into the Lake.

Kev.

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22 Mar 2011 21:31 #10 by Valerie (Valerie)
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When reading through cooking recipe, they say putting lobster, crab and other types of crustaceans in the freezer. Is this accepted as a painless method?

Valerie

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22 Mar 2011 21:40 #11 by stretnik (stretnik)
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You'll have to ask the Crustacean :P


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22 Mar 2011 21:42 #12 by JohnH (John)
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When reading through cooking recipe, they say putting lobster, crab and other types of crustaceans in the freezer. Is this accepted as a painless method?

Valerie


...and there was me thinking you plunged them into boiling water to kill them?
As Kev says freezing Fish will cause a gradual decrease in metabolism to the point of death - I wouldn't agree, though, with wrapping any Fish I caught in a damp cloth to 'drown' it, that seems pretty barbaric - although it could be argued that pulling them out of the water with a hook in their mouth is too.
But for myself I enjoy Angling but couldn't find any justification for it beyond the enjoyment - plus I always treat anything I catch (Pike mostly) with the utmost respect and would never bring one away 'for the table'.
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22 Mar 2011 23:34 #13 by Valerie (Valerie)
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...and there was me thinking you plunged them into boiling water to kill them?

Well, they say to freeze them when you need to dismember them for culinary purposes ; otherwise, throw them in boiling water indeed ...
Personally, I prefer to freeze them for a couple of hours before I cook them ... it still breaks my heart though ... :-((

You'll have to ask the Crustacean

I speak a couple of languages but haven't learnt theirs yet ... :P

Valerie :)

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