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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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30 Mar 2011 20:24 #31 by stretnik (stretnik)
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No probs at all Paul, :cool: :cool:

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30 Mar 2011 20:25 #32 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
I like a good discussion, and also like to see a few spanners thrown into the works.

So, one happens to get an individual fish.....it, for some reason, will not touch dead or substitute food but is fond of a guppy.
What do you do? get rid of the fish? or not?

That is a question that a keeper would have to answer.

But, the situation of having a large predator that will happily take substitute food does not pose a question that needs answering.....my lungfish and Polypterus happily accept a good balanced substitute diet, so there is absolutely no need to even think about feeding them live mice, rabbits, fish or birds.

As has been mentioned, seeing nobs on YouTube feeding a live rabbit to an arowana is just not right....and the mentality of the person doing such acts in fun needs to be questioned.

Morals....again a fuzzy area. We see human society moving towards un-biased 'humanity', but even that is biased towards certain values (and they include religious) of those pushing the movement forward.

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30 Mar 2011 20:26 #33 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
My goodness, Kev and Paul.... you were posting faster than I could type. :)

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30 Mar 2011 20:38 #34 by stretnik (stretnik)
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@ Ian ,

So, one happens to get an individual fish.....it, for some reason, will not touch dead or substitute food but is fond of a guppy.
What do you do? get rid of the fish? or not?


Well, the usual recommendation in literature and on Fish Websites is to ask to see the Fish eating first, then buy if it does.

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30 Mar 2011 20:41 #35 by paul (paul)
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Sorry Ian

maybe there shoul be a time delay between people posting give others a chance

although there are only a few members that appear to post regular on most topics so when you dont see them post for a while you think thay have nothing else to add or possible lost interest

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30 Mar 2011 20:49 #36 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
If you have a thread where you can spend hours composing a reply (I like to have a few ciggies and cuppas and chat with my OH whilst writing) then the thread is pretty much dead. :)
So having to fit your posts in quick is a good sign.

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30 Mar 2011 21:28 #37 by tropi-paul (Paul)
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just like to add it is in fact a painful death being digested by an arowana case in point as kev said whitespot etc nerve endings are an essential part of survival otherwise a fish could sit on an exposed heater oblivious to its body burning away ...

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31 Mar 2011 11:34 #38 by JohnH (John)
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That predators exist in nature is an acceptable fact – why do they exist? – to maintain a natural population at a healthy level. But even so, most predators will head for the easiest prey, be it lame, aging or runt…and this applies across the board, not just fish.
Scavengers, to a lesser degree, fulfil a similar role.

As usual, it is humankind which has upset the balance of nature, we bring piscine predators from the wild and shove them into Aquaria which are far from adequate in dimension…and that isn’t confined merely to predators either…then expect them to act in a natural manner.

Although this is veering away from the original theme, it’s still worth considering.

This has been a good debate with some myths and quite a large element of facts being quoted.

Personally I think it is for everyone to think carefully about this, then follow their conscience – mine is to not feed live fish to other fish, but that’s me – others feel differently and will follow what their views dictate.

Debates like this are good, but will never – in my opinion – change anyone’s views on so emotive a subject.

And yes, I do eat meat and fully realise where it comes from (Tesco’s). I’m also a Pike Angler, but would NEVER use a fish live bait to catch them (it’s actually illegal to do so here anyway – even though I have still seen it practised in Ireland, largely by other immigrants).


Next topic please…

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31 Mar 2011 14:12 #39 by mossy (gavin blanchfield)
thank god that storm is over:laugh:

anyone get any live mice out there,i need to feed my piranha:ohmy: :evil:

good topic lads and good views

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04 May 2011 13:51 #40 by David (David)
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I know this is an old topic but i found this and thought it made an interesting point i am also aware this refers to the UK and the same rules may not apply in this country

Feeding Live Food

There is no specific law in the UK regarding feeding live food to your pets. However what is illegal is cruelty to animals. Vertebrates can suffer pain whereas invertebrates do not, this is accepted by most authorities. Therefore it is acceptable to feed live food such as worms, crickets and other insects. However, feeding live rodents or lizards will cause them stress and pain, in this case you will be committing a criminal offence and if anyone sees you doing it can report you. In theory the RSPCA could take you to court for animal cruelty.


Taken from www.oscarfishlover.com/oscar-fish-food

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04 May 2011 17:01 - 04 May 2011 17:04 #41 by JohnH (John)
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Let's hope the above post doesn't bring about a new rash of posts saying the same as has gone before - merely with different words!
I think it was pretty conclusively dealt with 'last time around'.

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04 May 2011 17:26 #42 by stretnik (stretnik)
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Hey John,

I didn't want to be the first to say what you have just said but second will do, I agree totally, I think this has been whipped to death already.

No doubt it will be contested but I really hope it isn't.

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04 May 2011 19:59 #43 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
Does that mean I can't even play devils advocate?

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04 May 2011 21:18 #44 by dar (darren curry)
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your fish, your life, if you want to feed live fish then go ahead and do it, it is no ones business but your own, wat you cant feed live fish but you can feed murderd prawns and mass slaughter of insects for frozen food and mashed up fish that are trawled and dragged out of the water, i wonder how humane the process of making flake food is?

this topic will always twist knickers and best left alone kept behind closed doors

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04 May 2011 22:34 #45 by stretnik (stretnik)
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Ehm.... I think that is what Johnh and I were suggesting....


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04 May 2011 22:45 #46 by David (David)
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Didn’t mean to cause unrest just thought it was an interesting view

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04 May 2011 23:38 #47 by dar (darren curry)
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Ehm.... I think that is what Johnh and I were suggesting.....


yeah but i worded mine better :laugh:

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