inter-club show

Hi,

Well the inter club table show went ahead today,not a very big turn out but there was some very nice fish benched.I would like to tank Darren,Derek,Phil,and Nessa for helping to make it happen,cheers guys.Hopefully we will have another one next year and there will be a bit more interest.

Any chance of pictures from the event, would be great to see the entries.

Melander

dubfish wrote:

Hi,

Well the inter club table show went ahead today,not a very big turn out but there was some very nice fish benched.I would like to tank Darren,Derek,Phil,and Nessa for helping to make it happen,cheers guys.Hopefully we will have another one next year and there will be a bit more interest.

I think the whole club membership could have reduced attendance, i know myself and others from limerick would have attended otherwise and even benched some fish. pity

Melander wrote:

Any chance of pictures from the event, would be great to see the entries.

Melander

I took a few video shots of all fish....but the lighting wasn't the best for video filming. However, I'll see what I can muster up and post the video here (it will not be instant though).

Some nice fish on display and show.....a good range, and some fish that are not often seem on show benches.

ian

was there a best in show over all?

Gavin wrote:

was there a best in show over all?

Yes.

But I think Darren (Platy) should announce the places.

ian

What a busy day.
It was great to see such a display of fine looking fish. From the quirky mudskipper to the seldom seen Victorian cichlids.

Before i announce the placings i want and need to thank all who turned up and especially those who benched fish.

A special thanks to Phil and Derek for giving me a dig out with the judging. I know you guys needed to be elsewhere so thank you.
Ken Simpson, Alan(dubfish) and all from the LFKS for putting this together. I know it can be stressful and time consuming trying to organize these things. So thank you.
Nessa needs a special mention here for organizing the tanks. I know it must have been hard picking out the various size thanks and having to carry them down a ladder from there holding place, and now having to put them back again. Storing all the equipment is a thankless job so thank you.

I had to head off after the judging so i just totaled up the points from the judging sheets for the first 3 placings.
I will later post the top 5 and also the top 5 from each club who benched fish.

First place and best in show:
Nimbochromis livingstoni. Ken Simpson. LFKS.

Second place:
Corydoras brevirostris. Justine McCann. ITFS.

Third place.
Sciaenochromis fryeri. Alan Martin. LFKS


Well done Ken. A well deserved win.

Thanks Darren. A special thanks to you, Phil and Derek for the judging. Especially you for the bulk of the work. I know it's not an easy job at the best of times, but you managed much of it on your own.

Thanks also to Nessa for bringing over the additional tanks. It was very much a team effort and a very successful day. Hopefully it's the start of annual inter-club events.

i paid a short visit to the show to give a dig out with judging and was pleased to see some very nice specimens on display.
the nim. livingstoni was a nice well kept fish which displayed very well and although it would have lost points on size, it scored well on the other four categories. body, colour, finnage and condition/deportment.
the ahli/freyeri also had a nice look about him.
mbuna are normally hard to beat in this section, but on this occasion they were either showing signs of ageing or deporting badly.
there were some really top class young victorian males on display, but these species rarely make good showfish as they drop their brilliant colour and deport poorly (sit on bottom). non brooding or virgin female vics usually score better on the show bench. (as the expected colour and pattern is easy to maintain, and they are less highly strung)
of the other fish the ones that caught my attention were the mudskipper, a lovely betta and the corydoras brev.
although darren told me that there was a slight hollowing of the belly, (fairly common on older corys and hard to spot.
anyway, there was a nice variety of good fish on the bench and well done and thanks to all who made it happen.

Sterling work by all involved - thanks to everyone who was there to help setup, bench, judge...... I had a great time viewing the exhibits and learnt more about Victorians in 15 minutes than I could in a week of www browsing.
I look forward to the next event - be it a club table show at a meeting or something larger.
Special thanks to Ken for organising, Nessa for the tanks, Alan for the setup and Darren for judging (all necessary parts)
The low participation in these events always conjures an excuse of some kind, but you really do get out of it what you put in. I could sit at home and watch my tanks with a laptop browsing and learning nothing new - first-hand experience counts for so much and talking to numerous hobbyists about their fish - in a tank on it's own, evidencing their behaviour - is a much worthwhile activity.

I myself benched some killies - nothing that was going to win but more for people to see and talk about- variety amongst fish-keeping is it's highlight.

Thanks to all again
Andrew

...and also good to hear on the day from Darren, and with additional comments here from Derek, is commentary from the judges on the fish.

The Killies Andrew benched were really good to see....not often do we see Aphanius anywhere (they rarely get a mention in literature, and few people ever talk about them in general aquatic forums).

Although Justine is a member of the ITFS, she is not a member of this forum.....and I will pass on her 'thanks' to everyone for organising and attending the event. (she is also quite chuffed with some of her first ever fish she bought getting to a show bench).

ian

re the Aphanius - I wanted to give Darren a challenge for his judging

Andrew wrote:

re the Aphanius - I wanted to give Darren a challenge for his judging

I had the same thoughts as well.

Ok,I just typed a long reply,clicked submit,and it aint anywhere to be found,so a shorter one now.

Well done to all involved,I know how much it takes to organise these events. Unfortunately,due to work comittments,I couldn't attend.

Derek,I assume the fact the fish were benched shortly before judging wouldn't have helped their deportment. I know when benching the night before,they 'relax' a little. I've seen fish in show tanks,that just didn't show well,yet in their home tanks would've scored highly.

Hopefully next year things are different,and I will be there to add to my already crowded trophy cabinet

Fair play to everyone involved on Sunday. It was a good day with lots of fish chat going on while Darren, Derek and Phil were hard at work studing the fish. There was some beautiful on show including an unusual entry of a mudskipper. A lot of work goes on behind the scenes so fair play to everyone who made this happen.
Hopefully next year will be bigger and better.

Pete

Andrew wrote:

The low participation in these events always conjures an excuse of some kind, but you really do get out of it what you put in. I could sit at home and watch my tanks with a laptop browsing and learning nothing new - first-hand experience counts for so much and talking to numerous hobbyists about their fish - in a tank on it's own, evidencing their behaviour - is a much worthwhile activity.

i agree 100 per cent, meeting and chatting with other like minded people is the best way to keep the interest high.

@acara, absolutely right dave re the benching. some fish need more time to settle than others and this will of course mean poorer marks for deportment and colour. the victorians and a red empress, would have benefitted from a bit more time to settle pre judging.

derek wrote:

Andrew wrote:

The low participation in these events always conjures an excuse of some kind, but you really do get out of it what you put in. I could sit at home and watch my tanks with a laptop browsing and learning nothing new - first-hand experience counts for so much and talking to numerous hobbyists about their fish - in a tank on it's own, evidencing their behaviour - is a much worthwhile activity.

i agree 100 per cent, meeting and chatting with other like minded people is the best way to keep the interest high.

@acara, absolutely right dave re the benching. some fish need more time to settle than others and this will of course mean poorer marks for deportment and colour. the victorians and a red empress, would have benefitted from a bit more time to settle pre judging.

I'm going to go one further and, at the risk of being contentious, say that the regulations of judging mean that the judge is looking for 'well kept fish' (or even a superbly kept fish).....a good fish must be one that has been kept well.

Hence, by that logic, fish shows judged under the FBAS regs (or similar) encourage (and reward) good husbandry on behalf of the keeper.
Knowledge gained from a fish show may develop additional fish-keeping skills.

People are also able to see full-sized fish in prime condition......in the flesh.

ian

In the aftermath of the show......comes a talk by one of our FBAS judges: tuesday 13th Sept to reveal all our of deepest fears about why our fish did not get a placing, and why others got a well deserved first place.....

www.irishfishkeepers.com/index.php/fforu...-itfs-meeting#106088

The tips on what a judge is looking for in a fish are also tips that contribute to good fishkeeping in general.

I was compiling the very long video of this event last night (I have a short video of every fish at the show) and was able to get a longer look at some of the fish using the video.

The winning fish (a H.livinstoni) was majestic in its tank and was quite easy to video; the 3rd place H.ahli had colours that I simply could not capture in the low lighting but Justine still thought it was an amazing fish.

Interestingly enough, I did not manage to get a decent video of the 2nd and 4th placed fish at all....and I got an elbowing from Justine as they are from or tanks at home.(whoops). She said "you don't care about our fish". I have a bit of making up to do on the home front.

So.....for the after-gig party, so to speak, go to....

www.irishfishkeepers.com/index.php/fforu...-itfs-meeting#106088

ian

igmillichip wrote:

The winning fish (a H.livinstoni) was majestic in its tank and was quite easy to video; the 3rd place H.ahli had colours that I simply could not capture in the low lighting but Justine still thought it was an amazing fish.

ian

ian, this livingstoni was indeed a very good showfish. i hav'nt got the exact marks to hand but remember he scored very well on body (healthy sharp eyes and typical predators slender shape but not skinny) clean finnage and excellent condition and deportment. as it was a fairly young fish its size and colour would have been slightly down on whats expected but overall it was a worthy winner. interestingly if the fish was older and bigger the size and colour would have scored higher but the other 3 categories could have scored less well and consequently the overall score may not be higher.
the categories that i pay most attention to when judging are body (correct shape and proportions for species) and condition and deportment (self explanetary and generally gives a clear indication as to how well the fish is cared for)
imo showing fish is a surefire way to improve fishkeeping skills and for breeders allows them to improve the standard of their fish, by developing a better eye when choosing initial broodstock.

Glad to hear the show went well. I had hoped to attend and bench fish but couldnt make it. Congrats to the winners .

Jay

My apologies for not getting back to this sooner.

Here are the top 5 results for the inter-club and both clubs separately.

Inter club results. Top 5.

First place and best in show:
Nimbochromis livingstonii. Ken Simpson. LFKS.

Second place:
Corydoras brevirostris. Justine McCann. ITFS.

Third place.
Sciaenochromis fryeri. Alan Martin. LFKS

Forth place:
Periophthalmodon septemradiatus. Ian Millichip. ITFS

Fifth place:
pundamilia pundamilia zebra nyerei. David Darcy. ITFS


L.F.K.S. first five.

First:
Nimbochromis livingstoni. Ken Simpson.

Second:
Sciaenochromis fryeri. Alan Martin.

Third:
Cyrtocara moorii. Alan Martin

Forth:
Cynotilapia afra "jalo reef". Ken Simpson.

Fifth:
Metriaclima greshakei. Ken Simpson.


ITFS first five.

First:
Corydoras brevirostris. Justine McCann.

Second:
Periophthalmodon septemradiatus. Ian Millichip.

Third:
pundamilia pundamilia zebra nyerei. David Darcy.

Forth:
Danio Choprai. Nessa Duffy.

Fifth.
Betta splendens "plakat". Ian Millichip.


Well done one and all.

Darren.