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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

Shellie tank substrate

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01 Apr 2014 05:14 #1 by gunnered72 (Eddy Gunnered)
What's the best substrate for both Shellies to dig in and also to help with PH parameters suitable for Shellies to thrive....

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01 Apr 2014 10:05 #2 by Xaribdis (Lorcan O' Brien)
I have had Shellies (Lamprologus ocellatus and Neolamprologus multifasciatus) in coral gravel and it works perfectly. It helps to buffer the pH and allows them to alter their territories as they feel like it.
I read their habitat in the lake would usually be very fine sand or mud, but these won't help with buffering water. One of the lads, Stretnik, had a lovely small Multie tank with silicate sand, probably closer to their natural habitat, but pretty sure that's inert.
What Shellies are you thinking about getting and what size tank you going for?
LoB

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01 Apr 2014 10:12 #3 by Xaribdis (Lorcan O' Brien)
Forgot to mention in other reply, but it is MUCH more important to have a stable pH than trying to get it too high with any pH-UP or other chemicals. In my opinion, once you get over about 7.2pH for any tank-bred Shellies, they will do just fine. I presume you were going down this route since you were asking about the substrate, but worth mentioning anyway, as I used to struggle trying to get the pH as high as I could, but with water changes and variations within the tank, the pH would swing wildly over a week. Almost as soon as I gave up, the fish started breeding at a lower, but stable pH. Since then, I doubt it has crept over 7.4pH in 3.5 yrs.
LoB

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01 Apr 2014 11:46 #4 by gunnered72 (Eddy Gunnered)
Small 54 litre Xaribdis..With Multifaciatus maybe..

How many could I keep to make a colony?

Also are they compatible with other tankmates?

It's not definite yet..just sussing out what's required..I have a spare 54 litre as good as new tank in the shed and it's begging me to be stocked LOL...

Shellies also seem like a good way to introduce myself to African Cichlids..They have always fascinated me but I just haven't taken the plunge yet :-P

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01 Apr 2014 14:07 #5 by Xaribdis (Lorcan O' Brien)
In a small tank like that Multies would be the way to go alright. They live in colonies, so you don't have to worry too much about territorial aggression. Start off with about 8-10 in a tank that size. A good ratio is one male to three females, but this is not vital, as the males have a very small territory that will overlap with other males' in the colony.
So long as you keep the water changes up and the chemistry stable, they will breed for you handy enough. You can leave the fry in the tank, and grow out multiple generations in the one tank.
They have a wonderful personality and colony structure- great to watch the dominant males in the mid water looking out for any danger whilst the females do all the hard grafting of moving the sand around the shells and keeping the fry from straying too far from their safety.
In a tank that size, you may not be able to keep more than one Ocellatus male, as they have a territory that can be 12'' each side of their shells- if an aggressive male (and these can be SERIOUSLY aggressive for their size) decides to set up shop in the middle of the tank, you could end up with every other fish in the tank stressed and exiled to the top corners.
As for Multie tank mates, it's a hard one and can really be hit-and-miss. Multies are passive enough to one another, but will viciously protect the colony en-mass against other species.
If you can set up a nice, high rock work (making sure they very are stable, as the Multies will dig under them) at one end of the tank, you may be able to keep a Julie or Cylindricus, or a small synodontis. The Shellies will grab the open area with the shells and the other fish will colonise the rockwork. How well this works would largely depend on the personailty of the individual cylindricus/julie though, particularly in a 54L tank. In that size range, there are few fish from Tangynika that will inhabit the mid- to upper-levels of the tank.
Hope this helps.
LoB

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03 Apr 2014 23:06 #6 by gunnered72 (Eddy Gunnered)
Will this or something similar do the trick as regards buffering PH and also at the same time allowing Shellies to dig?

www.seahorseaquariums.com/Coral-Sand-4kg//3104

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04 Apr 2014 13:59 #7 by Xaribdis (Lorcan O' Brien)
Just the job, it's what I use.
You may be lucky and one of the very generous salties on here will donate enough for a 54L? :whistle: Getting some matching coral rock looks well with it.
LoB

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04 Apr 2014 15:52 #8 by gunnered72 (Eddy Gunnered)
Black or Blue background Lorcan?

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04 Apr 2014 16:36 #9 by Xaribdis (Lorcan O' Brien)
Personally I like a black background- it makes a nice contrast to the lighter substrate if going for coral gravel and rocks. Their lighter colour will stand out better against a darker background too. Really is personal taste though.
LoB.

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04 Apr 2014 16:57 #10 by gunnered72 (Eddy Gunnered)
Black was my preference too..Black it is :-)

Gonna get things rolling soon hopefully..

Might take a few weeks..
Gonna just relax and enjoy this little project bit by bit..

Thanks again for your advice and help Lorcan :-)

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06 Apr 2014 20:02 #11 by gunnered72 (Eddy Gunnered)
Another quick question on this topic for ya Lorcan...
What type of shells are best and how many per fish should there be in the tank?

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06 Apr 2014 22:26 #12 by Xaribdis (Lorcan O' Brien)
Escargot, edible snail's shells do the job perfectly. Pick them up in a specialist supermarket, or better still- if you know anyone working in a restaurant that serves them, you can get them for free. Alternatively, you can buy them online. However, any shell that size will do the job perfectly. Any bigger and the fish might find it hard to drag their shells around, which is a regular occurence.
You should have one shell for each fish and close to half that again, as some fish will claim more than one. Also, some shells will get buried by the constant landscaping. Make sure you poke a little hole at the very top of the shell- basically where the spiral ends. This will help prevent an accidental air pocket that could axphyxiate a fish that flees in to that shell.
Good luck with it all.
LoB.

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