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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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09 Nov 2010 20:23 - 09 Nov 2010 20:45 #1 by faolteam (keith mac)
]my oscar has been playing up again im not to sure if its hole in thr head can anyone help

is there a cure i used melafix and prifix

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09 Nov 2010 21:12 #2 by serratus (Drew Latimer)
Hi looks a bit like HITH, have you tested water params? if you have post them up, along with tankmates how old setup is etc... more info the better :) Its usually caused by conditions the fish are kept in and accelerated through stress. Octozin is a very good product we have it in stock.

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09 Nov 2010 21:13 #3 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
melafix may help with secondary bacterial infection, but you'd also need to get to the source.

Medication sold for hole-in-the-head tend to be good general medications. Waterlife Octozin and eSHA Hexamita are good general medications. But, I would never recommend mixing any Waterlife product with any other treatment (not even another waterlife treatment). eSHa Hexamita, however, can be used certain other eSHa products.

But, you'd need to secure a good diet that can supply such items as vitamin C, Vitamin A and Vitamin D.
So maybe eSHa Optima (it's cheap and economival to use) may be an option for adding

Despite some saying that hole-in-the-head is caused by spironucleus or hexamita, I don't accept that as there is evidence enough for that. However, damaged intestinal walls can mean that hexamita and spironucleus can become a problem throughout the body. Then, secondary bacterial infection becomes a problem also.
Damaged instestinec can be caused by certain worms and inappropriate diet (eg a heavy meaty diet).

Also, keep the water clean.

Many of these big cichlid pull through even if the holes never go away if treated in good time.

ian

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09 Nov 2010 21:14 #4 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
I see serratus was posting at the same time as I did.

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09 Nov 2010 21:17 #5 by joey (joe watson)
just one observation from the photo, is that coral gravel as the substrate? you should post up your water test readings and we can go from there, but by the looks of that substrate it could be in a high pH environment which is stressing it and leaving it susceptable to disease/infection

Location: Portlaoise, Midlands

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09 Nov 2010 22:01 #6 by faolteam (keith mac)
i have tank set up 4 years

nitrate 20 ppm (mgl)

ph 7.4

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09 Nov 2010 22:16 #7 by serratus (Drew Latimer)
Seems fine... how often do you do water changes/gravel clean???

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09 Nov 2010 22:35 #8 by dar (darren curry)
wat size tank, and filtration are you running

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09 Nov 2010 22:36 #9 by faolteam (keith mac)
i change once a month i have a tetratec 1200 so its good filtration

were can i get a fiss booster in dublin like: eSHa Optima

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09 Nov 2010 22:41 #10 by joey (joe watson)
tank size? how much (percentage) do you change? monthly changes are not really enough, most will do at least 25% weekly and if filtration is a bit light will be more water more often

Location: Portlaoise, Midlands

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09 Nov 2010 22:48 #11 by faolteam (keith mac)
i know my problem is my tank

its 36x18x20,

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09 Nov 2010 22:50 - 09 Nov 2010 22:59 #12 by dar (darren curry)
i think i'd do more than 25% weekly, probably more 25% twice weekly. they are messy oul fish

edit: after seeing dimensions, i'd get a new tank

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09 Nov 2010 22:59 #13 by faolteam (keith mac)
would 25 % twice weeekly be ok for the size of tank its a bit of a nusiance its upstairs in my bedrrom long walk to bathroom

is there a good fish boooster you can get on the irish market

like this:

www.eshalabs.com/optima.htm

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09 Nov 2010 23:00 #14 by faolteam (keith mac)
unfortunately i cant get a bigger tank id love to just havent got the room

damm it anyway

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09 Nov 2010 23:21 #15 by dar (darren curry)
witout having a go at you, i have to say bigger tank or lose the oscar, you will constantly have problems till it dies. these fish get huge compared to your tank. if it is a nuisance changing water and you cant get a bigger tank oscars are not for you. also you might struggle to move him on.

i'm sorry i might not sound helpfull

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09 Nov 2010 23:25 #16 by faolteam (keith mac)

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10 Nov 2010 00:31 #17 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
You asked where to get optima....... various LFS stock spurious bits of eSHa products (depends were you're based), but PetStop tend to sell the range.

Irrespective of whether you can house in a bigger tank, the fish will need treatment to help prevent further destruction of tissue. Increased frequency of water changes will go a long way in helping the fish recover.

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10 Nov 2010 00:49 #18 by faolteam (keith mac)

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10 Nov 2010 12:37 #19 by stretnik (stretnik)
Replied by stretnik (stretnik) on topic Re:What do u think it could be from picture ?
I have some Medication that will sort out Hex if that's what it is, pm me.


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10 Nov 2010 12:58 #20 by dar (darren curry)
can they fully recover from hith, scars heal? and how long would this take

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10 Nov 2010 15:32 #21 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
dar wrote:

can they fully recover from hith, scars heal? and how long would this take


It does depend upon the extent of the damage and the original cause (which might be different in each case).

It is really a symptom of something else.

In most cases, hole in the head indicates a clear change is required in the keeping of the fish. In my opinion it is not just a malady that jumps out of the woodwork even though certain fish are more susceptible than others.

Ultimately, and if left untreated for too long, secondary bacterial infection may damage the tissue to an extent that it will never really heal.

The most important aspects that could be cited within the onset of the symptoms include:
Redox Potential; Vitamins and mineral balance; clean water; food quality; and underlying intestinal worm infections. Poor quality food and intestinal worm infections will increase the chance of hexamita and spironucleus infection.
If hexamita escapes from the intestine to the body, then it can infect organs such as the heart.
If hexamita infection in the gut is too high then that can upset the uptake of certain nutrients.

SO: as HITH is a symptom of multiple causal agents, then I would always recommend a multi-part attack.
Octozin (or the old eSHa Hexamita...I think the recipe has changed) medication is a good start.....but should only be used if the water is of good quality and the filtration efficiency is good.

BUT....as dirty water is cited to potentiating the symptoms then a good water change and filtration clean goes before any medication anyway.

The redox potential must be buffered. RO water is not going to help unless it is properly buffered. Regular water changes with buffered (eg tap) water not only keeps bugs at bay it helps to balance redox.
Calcium carbonate substrate in a tank without water changes will mean that the reducing buffering will exhaust itself, so don't rely on simply having a calcium source added that is not buffering.

Stop feeding heavy meaty food.

Stop using old out-of-date dried food.

Vitamins....should really be added to the food, but adding them to the water is better than nothing as some might be drank by freshwater fish.

I also tend to use iron in my most of my tanks especially if it is fish of the more 'prone' class.......I'm not recommending adding iron as it does introduce extra problems, but with care I am in favour of its use.

Basically......good basic water management and feeding is the key.

ian

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11 Nov 2010 00:16 #22 by faolteam (keith mac)
Can i ask if i want to keep one oscar healthy in a Aquarium what size should it be and how many litres

for a fully matured adult Oscar Cilchid

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11 Nov 2010 01:04 #23 by dar (darren curry)
in and around the 300 mark but the bigger the better, and i'd try get my hands on a second filter

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11 Nov 2010 01:23 #24 by dar (darren curry)
here is a site i read ages ago (hope this is ok people in charge)

www.oscarfishlover.com/

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