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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

Geophagus and Discus

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20 Jan 2009 22:58 #1 by Zoom (Zoom)
Has anyone any experience with Geophagus and Discus in the same set up, its a thought that is crossing my mind just thought I'd throw this one out to see what people think , before i rush into it.

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21 Jan 2009 10:56 #2 by JohnH (John)
I think it would entirely depend upon your choice of Geophagus - certainly not the Brasiliensis, the ones I owned were real terrors...at least the male was!
Some of the species actually live in the wild together, but obviously not "hand in hand" with each other!
Somewhere I have a book about Discus with a picture in it showing what they called "Long-finned" Geophagus species being caught in the nets along with the Discus they were actually fishing for.

My concern would be that even if you tried any of the less agressive Geos and they did actually co-exist there would almost certainly be water temperature issues - at least that would be my guess.
Discus are maintained at such artificially high temperatures to keep parasites at bay - and have been kept like this for so many generations now that this has become the 'norm' for them -but the question would be, could the Geos survive for long enough to become established at the much higher level?
I think it would, if you gave it a try, have to be a case of buying your fish, putting them into a separate tank and build up the temperature - very gradually - to whatever you have your Discus at. Probably over the course of a good few weeks at that. Wild fish could take even longer I should think.

Another thing worth thinking about is the Discus themselves - if, as I suspect, they are adults
they might not take too kindly to newcomers, especially other Cichlids. Sometimes it can be overlooked that they are themselves Cichlids and are very often extremely aggressive and particularly territorial too.

I think that this would require further consideration, try to find a Discus Forum (I think there are a few out there in Cyberspace) and see if anyone there has tried what you're considering - there isn't too much in Fishkeeping that someone somewhere hasn't tried before! You could learn from their experiences - good or bad - which could help you make your final decision.

John

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21 Jan 2009 13:57 #3 by arabu1973 (. .)
Hi Alan
They usually feed together in the wild but that's it they don't swim together or shoal. I just bought Heiko Blehers latest book on wild discus (Bleher's Discus Volume 1), the best book on wild discus so far, where i read just yesterday that they feed together just to keep an eye out for predators, the more eyes the better but they dont really get along especially with the wild discus. I wouldn't try it with your wilds just in case WWIII would start in your tank. Then you have to think just how would the geophagus would react when they will spawn will they mind they business or they will chase the discus away from their spawning area and stress them. Adrian

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21 Jan 2009 19:04 #4 by Zoom (Zoom)
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Thanks John and Adrian ,

Some good tips and advice there, I was aware they originate from the same location on certain instances in the wild but finding it hard to get any info on their relationship together in the wild,(thanks Adrian i'll have to look that book up and John if you can think of the book you seen the photo's in would be great:) , Maybe i'll just try the geo's on their own and see where it can go from there study the behaviour temp etc before making the plundge. John do you still keep geo's? What ones would you recommend to start with if i can get my hands on them!

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21 Jan 2009 19:31 #5 by arabu1973 (. .)
Hi Alan
this is the book www.aquapress-bleher.com/index.php?page=...virtuemart&Itemid=45 it cost me around €100 delivered from UK and i got an autograph on the book too from Heiko Bleher.

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21 Jan 2009 21:12 #6 by Zoom (Zoom)
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Thanks Adrian , Looks like a great book , have to start saving :)

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21 Jan 2009 23:31 #7 by arabu1973 (. .)
I was lucky i got it as a x-mas present :woohoo:

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22 Jan 2009 11:06 #8 by JohnH (John)

John do you still keep geo's? What ones would you recommend to start with if i can get my hands on them!



Right at this moment I have none, but keep looking out for Acaricthys Heckeli - while not strictly a Geo they are certainly in that species category (well, vaguely).

Some of the more recently-discovered Geos are very nice, I wouldn't mind some of those. I'm going over to UK in the Spring and plan to have a good trawl around the shops in the South East to see what's on offer.

I also like the Geophagus Daemon, but have never kept them - all I ever kept were the Brasiliensis I mentioned before and Jurapari - which unfortunately never did breed...now, both of these have probably been re-classified - as is the way of things, but I'm talking back to the days when all Central American Cichlids were Cichlasomas and all non-Tilapia cichlids from Africa were Haplochromis, I could go on, but you probably see what I mean.

I'll have to try to look out the book you asked about, but it is pretty old (a bit like its owner!). I'm almost certain it was by Herbert Axelrod though, I'll do a bit of searching after I've been shopping.

John
ps, A bit off subject, but how did your Killifish project get on?

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23 Jan 2009 00:09 #9 by platty252 (Darren Dalton)
Alan have a look here. www.aquapress-bleher.com/index.php?optio...iew&id=259&Itemid=64
Probably not quite the info you are looking for. But still worth a look.

As John askes, how how are you getting on with the killifish?

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25 Jan 2009 20:07 #10 by Zoom (Zoom)
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Hi platty and John .

Thanks for the link its great , ah the killifish are going good , out the door with them there awhile ago have some orange australie and bronze cory's if you are interested ? Then easied off as the discus started spawning, and all over the place at the moment trying to re set up. re doing the 8 foot tank so deciding what to do, bit of a spring clear out going on.

cheers
Alan .

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02 Feb 2009 23:14 #11 by platty252 (Darren Dalton)
Cheers for the offer of the orange australie, but i have some at the moment.
Good luck with the spring clean.

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