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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

Any body got any managuense (jaguar cichlids),

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01 May 2009 20:56 #1 by convict84 (sean farrell)
If so what size ,male or female?

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02 May 2009 00:36 - 02 May 2009 00:38 #2 by Trimax (Trimax)
I used to have one, just a juvenile had to give away after a few months because I was moving. Beautiful fish , and a prime example of how predatory and aggressive Nandopsis are. I would definitely get one again, but keep it in a four foot with a couple of birchirs. not a community fish.
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04 May 2009 19:56 - 04 May 2009 20:06 #3 by Trimax (Trimax)
Just learnt the correct scientific name is now "Parachromis" rather than nandopsis. I'm sure it will change again in a few months ! Just think of Jags as bigger meaner JD's, similar to a Dovii (Wolf cichlid) in demeanour. The Dovii is known as the piranha eater in the USA amongst hobbyists as they eat piranha in the wild.

A jag is similar so that gives you an idea of how tough these fish are!
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04 May 2009 20:29 #4 by convict84 (sean farrell)
hi jim,my male around 12inchs is crazy,a very bright fish,a prime example of ca cichlids,i dont know why more people dont keep ca sa cichlids,the jd and the jag didnt get on as i thought but worth the try,i might breed the jag,

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04 May 2009 23:06 - 04 May 2009 23:19 #5 by Trimax (Trimax)
Hey Sean, there are a good few (maybe a few hundred) of large CA/SA cichlid keepers in Ireland, I know a good few people that do Just not many of them post on this forum. It's up to us and like minded individuals to try get em to contribute. I am always trying to lure people over to the 'dark side' of fishkeeping!

If you have a large JAG post a pic so others may appreciate why were always banging on about them! It's important for the hobby that people are exposed to the choices that are out there. There will never be a large community of large CA/SA cichlid keepers in Ireland without enthusiasm being shared by the likes of ourselves.

The advanced fishkeeping hobby in Ireland is dominated by Marines, Discus and the king of them all African cichlids.

Most people who get into cichlids end up with Africans. There is a good reason why this is; African cichlids look colourful as juveniles in the shop where as American cichlids don't, they look grey/brown and boring. Imagine you worked in a fish shop and were trying to tell a beginner that the grey/brown American cichlid is gonna be stunning one day but you can't keep it with all these other small fish that are stunning now, oh and it costs 3 times as much! You wouldn't sell a single one!

Thats why most fish shops don't stock many American cichlids at any one time except the usual Discus , dwarfs and angelfish.

So people see discus or africans in full colour in the shop and go for them if cichlids appeal to them. The poor plain juvenile American cichlid doesn't have a chance...

Thats why it's important to show adults, as Few here would disagree, There are not many fish as impressive and certainly none as intelligent as an American cichlid such as a Carpinte, GT,EBJ, Jag,Pearsi, Black belt, synspillum or Oscar's etc

It's a very refined niche in the hobby similar to discus keeping. It has requirements and limitations that are off putting to all but the most extreme cichlid fans. You need a large tank, the fish are generally more expensive, mixing them is as tedious as trying to mix lions and tigers! They can be difficult to source and you cannot keep many.

So many fish keepers in Ireland are addicted to the new fish feeling, the impulse to buy fish is very strong esp in beginners which is the cause of many a disaster. With American cichlids you just cannot do this. Every fish added requires careful study and thought with back up plans at the ready in case 'that red devil decides to kill your new Chuco intermedium ' or similar situation.

So to go with large SA/CA cichlids means;

To have the patience of a saint (ie to be able to wait a year or so before the fish is old enough to look colourful), planning and no more impulse buying! Mixing aggressive cichlids is also a fine art that takes much heartbreak and disappointment to get a feel for, All African cichlid keepers will know this only too wel!.

The rewards in my opinion are the most beautiful and responsive fish on Earth but for most it's just too extreme a hobby to get into. The desire of most people for Instant gratification will always rule any market, and I think more refined niches in the hobby such as American cichlid keeping will always be out of the mainstream hobby.

American cichlids are more pets then ornamental, but beat the ornamental fish on looks anyway! These are just my opinions, i'm sure some prefer guppies to green terrors but hey variety is the spice of life!!
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05 May 2009 18:06 #6 by convict84 (sean farrell)
very well put jim,i will put a few pics of my jag later,

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