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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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31 Aug 2011 14:42 #1 by jeff (Jeff Scully)
hi guys ive been treating my tank for ws a week today stuck the temp up 29 added salt and done a 3 day course of Protozin with lights off. NO change,took a water sample to my fish shop said it was grand..((shop told me one of the fish i got the week before the same batch he was now treating for white spot)) so sh1t one now i know i realy need a spare q tank its on the cards for the weekend, so anyway went home done a gravel clean and took out 20% water with it and started the treatment again and its still their, only half my fish have it (for now) ive hade a ws prob before last yr. but it was gone in like 2 days and never came back, but this time bigger tank maybe bigger load of eggs?.. will i just keep up with what im doing or has anyone got a plan oh ive been feeding them frozen shrimp brine with garlic,
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31 Aug 2011 14:57 - 31 Aug 2011 17:12 #2 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
Hi Jeff,

The treatment will not actually remove the whitespot off the fish.

The way the treatment works is that it links in with the life cycle of the white spot.
The cysts on the fish are an intermediate part of the life cycle; but the treatment cannot kill teh white-spot whilst the bug is on the fish (without killing the fish).

So, the treatment regimen waits until the life-cycle is in an off-fish stage and kills the pathogen whilst off the fish. So, fish already showing the white spots will need to wait until the pathogen leaves the fish.
the time taken for the cycle to happen is decreased with an increase in temp.

I would recommend that before treatement the tank is given a good clean around the gravel and corners and places were muck can harbour, and given a goo partial water change.
The start the treatment....but it takes time.

After the treatment period is complete (different medications have a different dosing period), then plan another good clean-up about a week after the finish of the treatment.

Oxygenate the tank really well, and get good water circulation in most of the tank.

that is it in a quick nutshell before I go off on a coffee break.

ian

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31 Aug 2011 14:57 #3 by mickdeja (Mick Whelan)
Use eSHa Exit, bang and the whitespot will be gone. 3 day treatment rather than 6 day with Protozin. Most LFS sell it. 6.99 - 8.99 euro i think.

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31 Aug 2011 18:03 #4 by igmillichip (ian millichip)

Use eSHa Exit, bang and the whitespot will be gone. 3 day treatment rather than 6 day with Protozin. Most LFS sell it. 6.99 - 8.99 euro i think.


eSHa Exit is also less harsh on the more sensitive fish.

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31 Aug 2011 20:23 #5 by jeff (Jeff Scully)
thanks ian thats very interesting, ive done the big clean and water change, my temp. is 29 should i go a little higher or will i just wait it out and if i was to try the exit stuff how long after the other stuff would i have to wait or will i just leave for now and wait and use the exit the next time i get unlucky

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31 Aug 2011 20:26 #6 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
You do have to be a bit careful with raising the temperature depending upon which species of fish you have.

What fish are in the tank?

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31 Aug 2011 20:36 #7 by jeff (Jeff Scully)
angels, rainbows, balla s, red tail s, endlers, guppys, mollys, corys, blue rams, and 2 that i forget what their called their a type of chilicd ones yellow haha and the other is same fish? different colour kinda brown with black stripe near rear haha dont know

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31 Aug 2011 20:41 #8 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
interesting mix, but let's sort the white-spot out first. Although I would say that that mix is not the best in the long term when fish get bigger and some stay small.
I may suspect that the mollies may have contributed to the outbreak.
I wouldn't go any higher with the temp with that mix of fish. Just follow the instructions on whatever medication you are using.

Maybe you could get a picture of your unknown yellow stripey cichlid thingy thing. ;)

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31 Aug 2011 20:56 #9 by jeff (Jeff Scully)
i know i made that mistake when i started buying everything that was going lost alot more different too but like you said ws first then ill ask what fish should i keep for real. im going to take the pics of them two fish now put them up in a min. i taught i was told they were firemouths but ive just being looking a pic of them and its not them gis a min or 2

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31 Aug 2011 21:13 #10 by jeff (Jeff Scully)
here ye go ian this the best i can light has not been on for a while swimming like rockets


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31 Aug 2011 21:24 #11 by jeff (Jeff Scully)

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31 Aug 2011 21:27 #12 by jeff (Jeff Scully)

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31 Aug 2011 21:35 #13 by stretnik (stretnik)
Replied by stretnik (stretnik) on topic Re: white spot `cant shift it
The "unknown" Fish is a Severum, all of these will handle the higher temps but the cory, depending on the type, might not, also, increase surface agitation or aeration as higher temps causes 02 to be in lower concentrations than in cooler temps.

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31 Aug 2011 22:45 #14 by jeff (Jeff Scully)
thanks kev.,albino cory and and the other one grey with black spots?,again dont know the name sorry, how do i increase the surface agitation or aeration

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05 Sep 2011 20:40 #15 by jeff (Jeff Scully)
now me head is realy wrecked finally got rid of the ws on sat. everything looked perfect done a 25% water change yesterday gravel cleaner and it was spotless put me carbon back in and left it untill 5pm today before i turned on the light and all was well delighted to see my fish with the light on again. went out about 6 came back at about 8 and sat looking at tank about to open a beer and chillax and before i even got to open it i seen my small balla with 4-5 ws and he didn't even have it at the start has anyone any idea what is going on just sick of it at this stage never had a prob like this before

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05 Sep 2011 21:56 #16 by DJK (David Kinsella)
Protozin is a 6 day treatment, not 3 days as mentioned in yout original post. It should be used according to the bottle on days 1,2,3 and 6 with specific mills to liters.

It's very important to read the label a few times before even treating especially for a novice/beginner.
Having said that I'm of the belief that there are different strains of w/s and a repeat medication may be required.

It's like everything, use it properly. If the doctor gives you a 7 day subscription for an infection and you feel ok after 3 days, do you stop taking the medication??

Dave

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05 Sep 2011 23:50 #17 by jeff (Jeff Scully)
hi dave,
sorry if i was not clear enough in what ive been writing, but i did follow the instructions very clearly i know its a 6 day course.
ive done it twice, because the first time didn't work.
1st. time day 1 2 3 and then day 6, i then done a big clean and water change on day 7, it didn't clear up, so i then done another dose day 1 2 3 and day 6 and then it seemed to be gone so i did another big clean up on day 7 which was sunday with a good 25 - 30% water change and everything seemed to be fine but monday afternoon when i could finally put the lights on ```its back``` on 1 fish which never had it at the start or at all,
this is why im so confused
cant shift it
and just to add, had my water tested twice and its perfect

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06 Sep 2011 07:38 #18 by Mike53 (Michael)
Hi Jeff, I'm having a similar problem, just finishing my third treatment, first I used JBL ultra then moved to protozin, just finished my second 6 day course. It's just my two keyhole cichlids that keep getting it on their fins and it's not looking good again. Temp at 80 degrees. I have a 330 tank so it's costing me a bit in treatment. After each dose it seems to go and then a few more dots appear after a while. Any other helpful suggestions by board members? I might try the eSha exit as suggested by Ian next.

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06 Sep 2011 07:46 #19 by mickdeja (Mick Whelan)
eSha exit recommended by Mick... :silly: :blink:

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10 Sep 2011 17:36 #20 by jeff (Jeff Scully)
mike53 its a total headwrecker, ive got my tank ready the last few days to start a new treatment, im trying (esha exit) now, 3 day course, started today so il put up a post on tuesday and then a few days later see if it has worked

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14 Sep 2011 23:09 #21 by jeff (Jeff Scully)
well its finally gone at last started the treatment on saturday finished on monday had the lights on yesterday for 4 hours and tonight for 8 hours and all is well so a big thanks to esha exit to me the only thing that works its been a hard few weeks and i hope this helps people in the future lights off temp up and esha exit for 3 days and magic its all gone, what a fooking nightmare it was nearly going back to goldfish never had a problum for 10yrs. and they are still alive. a big thanks to everyone who replied to my problum and thanks to the people who said esha exit.
jeff

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14 Sep 2011 23:13 #22 by jeff (Jeff Scully)

Use eSHa Exit, bang and the whitespot will be gone. 3 day treatment rather than 6 day with Protozin. Most LFS sell it. 6.99 - 8.99 euro i think.

fair play to yea mate you were 100% (spot on) haha or spot off, thanks a mill, its sorted at last :woohoo: :angel:

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15 Sep 2011 11:55 #23 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
Also, much of the time stress can bring on whitespot with fish,its not always down to the water at all,and your mix of fish may be contributing to stress levels amongst some of the fish.
Anyhow at least its cleared now,dont forget to reduce the temp over the coming days.
Esha Exit covers alot of illness,and is well recommended. Fiar play Mick.

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