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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

angelfish eggs(update)

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21 Jan 2012 13:58 - 05 Feb 2012 10:26 #1 by anglecichlid (ciaran hogan)
my angels spawned on thursday,friday about 4 or 5 eggs had gone white then thismorning about another 20 or 30 have gone white,is this a bad sign?

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21 Jan 2012 14:24 #2 by davey_c (dave clarke)
the eggs that have not been fertalized by the male will go white... viable eggs will stay like a transparent brown..
keep in touch in regards how they get on :cool:

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21 Jan 2012 15:53 #3 by anglecichlid (ciaran hogan)
cheers.is it normal for a few to be unfertilized after a few days?

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21 Jan 2012 16:35 #4 by davey_c (dave clarke)
yea mate its normal, how many times have they spawned? at the start ye always get more white eggs till they get the hang of it but when they do you will most likely only get a few whites but with each spawn i would always expect a few and would be pleasently suprised if there were none :)

ps. it usualy takes unfertalized eggs up to a couple of days to show but the parents, if they don't eat them, should keep the good eggs from going mouldy :cool:

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21 Jan 2012 16:57 #5 by anglecichlid (ciaran hogan)
cheers.its there first clutch.not all bad since i only have them two weeks.at least i know i have a good pair and there doin the biz. Id say just under a 1/4 have gone white now,of around 250!

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22 Jan 2012 07:01 #6 by anglecichlid (ciaran hogan)
:laugh: well i got up this morning and there they were a couple of wrigglers.delighted! Dont think the parents are though they keep dethatching themselfs off the slate and driving them mad. :lol:

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22 Jan 2012 08:02 #7 by wylam (Stuart Sexton)
Good stuff , any pictures?

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22 Jan 2012 16:30 #8 by davey_c (dave clarke)
congrats :cool: there's nothing like it :)
which type are they? what do you plan on feeding them as a 1st food?? a bit of moss in the tank is a great food resource for tiny fry :)

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22 Jan 2012 18:23 #9 by anglecichlid (ciaran hogan)
:( just got home from work and all the eggs are gone. I was wondering about the breed of the angels myself i think the male is a zebra? And the female is a silver? Id anyone?

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22 Jan 2012 20:25 #10 by wylam (Stuart Sexton)
Ah hard luck, hopfully they will spawn again soon. :)

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05 Feb 2012 10:36 #11 by anglecichlid (ciaran hogan)
ok my angels spawned again exsactly 15 days since the last spawn,the parents seem to a lot better this time around removing the white eggs as soon as they go white! i have them in a 180l tank with a tank divider(the parent + eggs 1/3 of the tank) with 5 more in the other 2/3s. i dont really want to take the eggs out and i dont want to leave the parents in,in case they eat the eggs,however! the parents are keeping the eggs clean. would it be possable to take the parents out and treat the tank with methelyn blue? would this affect the other fish? catch 22, any advise on this would really help.

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05 Feb 2012 11:48 #12 by davey_c (dave clarke)
nice 1 :cool:

i haven't used the stuff so can only go by what i've read but the impression i get is that the stuff is useless to some while others use it regularly, if its safe fcor wigglers why wouldn't it be safe for fish??.. sorry lack of knollege on my part :pinch:

i've heard of people also putting a powerhead, not blowing directly on the eggs, blowing past the eggs to cause some water movement around them which may be worth hearing more about if you have 1 at hand... if not i'm sure a air stone could give a similar effect :unsure:

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05 Feb 2012 12:04 #13 by anglecichlid (ciaran hogan)
cheers. So do i remove the parents and look after the fry myself? ;)

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05 Feb 2012 12:17 #14 by anglecichlid (ciaran hogan)
:lol:

no, do not remove the parents, I believe they are better caregivers to fry than you ;)

:lol: .so use the meth and leave the parents.if this is the case,i would be slightly worried that i might stress the parents? ;)

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05 Feb 2012 19:15 #15 by BlueRam (Sean Crowe)
welcome mate i think leaven them in with the eggs is best

if it taken them 4 or even 5 spawns to get it right so be it they would raise the fry better then we can

they will get in it in the end mine has spawnd about four times and still havent got it right but i am hopen this time they will (they are cleaning off a a plant leaf at the mo so they will spawn on it in the new few days)

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06 Feb 2012 13:57 #16 by anglecichlid (ciaran hogan)
ok, i couldnt get a hold of meth blue so i used esha 2000,diluted 2 drops in a half cup of water and gave the eggs a light wash twice between 6 and 9 last evening. Woke up this morn and i have a few wrigglers.so it didnt seem to do them any harm. So fingers crossed that the parents havent eaten them again when i get home.watch this space. :laugh:

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06 Feb 2012 15:30 #17 by stretnik (stretnik)
Replied by stretnik (stretnik) on topic Re: angelfish eggs(update)
Rumour has it that any Parents that show inability to take care of their young will be genetically passed on to the young so as Chris advises, try letting them do it first, they will also detect badly formed or weak ones and eat them.

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06 Feb 2012 15:37 #18 by anglecichlid (ciaran hogan)
yea sounds right. I would be a bit reluctant to take the fry anyway.it seems that they are getting better at it.i know its only there second spawn but something tells me its getting better.

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06 Feb 2012 18:25 #19 by anglecichlid (ciaran hogan)
ok,the wrigglers are fine.the hen has relocated them to a unused sucker pad i have on the side of the tank. :laugh: so i check the other side of the tank divider and find 3 of my 5 other angels huddeled in the corner to find this.

My blue male has paired up with my silver hen.should i remove the remaining 3?

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06 Feb 2012 18:51 #20 by anglecichlid (ciaran hogan)
sorry should have mentioned that there after spawning aswell

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07 Feb 2012 08:26 #21 by anglecichlid (ciaran hogan)
the other 3 are moved and are up for sale or swap.a blue female a zebra female and a male zebra.

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07 Feb 2012 16:28 #22 by davey_c (dave clarke)
would it not idea it only breed angelfish of the same type instead of mix breeding??
just an observational question for everyone B)

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07 Feb 2012 16:43 #23 by anglecichlid (ciaran hogan)
as you know its very hard to sex them in a shop.so its all luck in that way.when my first two paired up and the rest settled in i had more females than males so i got two more which turned out to be a blue male and female and they paired up themselfs.so theres not much you can do.

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07 Feb 2012 19:35 #24 by BlueRam (Sean Crowe)
well done mate

i can get u methelyn blue if u want me to oick it up for u

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07 Feb 2012 20:34 #25 by anglecichlid (ciaran hogan)
cheers mate,might take you up on that.gonna see how i get on esha 2000.il keep you posted.the second pair that layed yesterday ate there eggs by the time i got home.but im not to worried cause the first pair did that the last time so two weeks from now i reckon they will get it right.

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07 Feb 2012 21:06 #26 by BlueRam (Sean Crowe)
no worries let us know

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11 Feb 2012 15:40 #27 by anglecichlid (ciaran hogan)
well the last of the baby angels.(free swimmers) died today.cant get my head around it.they lasted just under 7 days.my ph is at a steady 7 any help would be good.

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11 Feb 2012 16:10 #28 by davey_c (dave clarke)
sorry to hear that, the same happened me at the start and it can be quite gutting :(

did you leave them in the community tank? did you make the likes of your filter fry safe, were you feeding them? would there have been a cause for ammonia in the tank? you will need to say more about your efforts please. B)

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11 Feb 2012 18:38 #29 by anglecichlid (ciaran hogan)
no there in a tank on there own with the parents.ammonia is at 0 ppm theres a sponge over the filter. And i discovered that there is one fry left. Stumpped. :dry:

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11 Feb 2012 19:19 #30 by BlueRam (Sean Crowe)
really sorry to here that mate it not nice at all well look on the bright side ya have a breeding pair that wont stop

so u will get better and better over time

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