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Hi,
John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.
I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.
With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.
I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.
If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.
I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.
I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.
Thank you
Darragh Sherwin
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28 Jan 2012 17:26 #1
by davey_c (dave clarke)
so it starts off about midday today when i went into the fishroom to find quite a few of the steindachneri fry belly up which was totaly out of the blue so i set about catching the rest because i was expecting a wipeout but anyways, i caught the remainding 50+ and put them into my main tank, a big risk i know but i took it anyways
TBH i wasn't expecting many to survive with tankmates like the redtail cat and gt's but i wasn't expecting what was about to happen... a geo winemilleri has taken over minding the fry
the biological parents are also in the tank but show very little if any connection to them because they've been seperated quite a while but honestly the geo won't let any other fish near them...
is this typical geo parental behaviour??
cheers
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28 Jan 2012 21:06 #2
by igmillichip (ian millichip)
Whether or not this is normal behaviour, and in most cases there may never be much opportunity for adopting fry, it is an interesting side of fish behaviour.
We certainly see cichlids adopting and raising catfish babies (and incubating their eggs); we see 'male' cichlids often tending the babies of other males's babies (eg in shellies where there a male dresses himself as a female and then is allowed to mate with all the dominant males females. ....sneaky).
I would never put it past fish to actually show interesting behaviour that some may feel is reserved for us humans only.
(I have my own theories on the relationship between fish psychology and our own....some may find my theory a bit outrageous)
Keep us in the loop on this.
Ian
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29 Jan 2012 17:20 #3
by davey_c (dave clarke)
cheers for that ian, i also have a naturalistic way of thinking where i don't think for 1 second we as humans are special because we are currently the dominant product of mother nature therefor i do agree that there is a big possibility if not a certainty that other life forms like fish have some of the same traits as us... thats quite interesting about shellies though
i have heard of adoptation in apisto's but never heard of it in geo's (thats not to say it doesn't though). i found it very interesting to watch because she was only short of picking them up to keep them together unfortunately though there has been more die-off over night and she seems to have abandoned this role
... i now wunder if there had not been a problem would she have continued this role of parenthood or was she just trying to give them a chance at survival till they got settled (looking at it from her perspective).
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29 Jan 2012 17:49 #4
by igmillichip (ian millichip)
As you may, or may not, know one of my fish that I often like to rave on about with regards to behaviour is lungfish (and the classification of lungfish).
I am aware that not everyone agrees with the theories of evolution as principles, and so I tend to step back from giving my opinion on open forums in such topics.
So....I won't give my theory on human behaviour being related very closely to lungfish or other ancient animals behaviour as I don't always wish to upset people's belief or even my peers in the science community.
We see strange community creches in some species....eg caiman and some frogs whereby a single adult will look after everyone elses babies. It is not just humans.
It would be interesting to look closely at why a fish may adopt another fish, or (and equally important) is why it may reject the other fish OR if there is a communication break-down.
Cichlids certainly use some quite subtle and cryptic signals to their young. It is difficult to spot if young fry give signals back to the parents.
Do signals get confused?
ian
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