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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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30 Jan 2012 20:56 #1 by neki (neki)
As I've read that garlic is very beneficial to mbuna fish, is it a good idea to feed them boiled garlic once a month?

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31 Jan 2012 18:43 #2 by BlueRam (Sean Crowe)
i heard off a lot off ppl talkin about addin garlic to fish food and i never knew how to really do it i seen in the last few days in a few off the sponsors shops bottles off garlic think it is a liquid form but as i said i have never done it but will be lookin at this closely to see wat other say

as i would like to add garlic to there diet some day soon

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31 Jan 2012 18:49 #3 by sheag35 (Seamus Gillespie)
garlic is more used as an appetite enhancer, mainly used to get fickle feeders to eat, all you need do is chop a clove of garlic and add it to your pot of fishfood, shake and leave it does the trick like that as for feeding a boiled clove of garlic never heard of it being done but cant see it doing any harm to mbuna

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31 Jan 2012 19:23 #4 by stretnik (stretnik)
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I would think it would add to the Bio load, I would just extract the juice and soak your thawed out frozen Food in it.

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31 Jan 2012 20:41 #5 by neki (neki)
I tried it and they devoured it. As for the problem of Bio load I fed them before doing the weekly water change.

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31 Jan 2012 22:38 #6 by BlueRam (Sean Crowe)
yeah kev i was thinkin that would be a better way

how would u go about extracting the juice off it tho?

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31 Jan 2012 23:12 #7 by stretnik (stretnik)
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Seriously? I wouldn't bother Sean, I think the Liquid is called Garlic Guard, well worth the price and no prep or clean up required either.

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31 Jan 2012 23:49 #8 by ger310 (Ger .)

As I've read that garlic is very beneficial to mbuna fish, is it a good idea to feed them boiled garlic once a month?

thanks

neki



Alright neki,out of culinary curiousity,can i ask how you did this and what was the end result as i'm intrigued to know what boiling the garlic does to the texture of the garlic? thanks

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31 Jan 2012 23:52 #9 by BlueRam (Sean Crowe)
thats the one :cool: :cool: :cool:

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31 Jan 2012 23:54 #10 by ger310 (Ger .)

I tried it and they devoured it. As for the problem of Bio load I fed them before doing the weekly water change.


Sorry neki,i just copped this.....glad they liked it but can i ask how you did this.....if possible can tell me your process from pealing the garlic to feeding the fish......as i said,intrigued!!! :unsure:

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01 Feb 2012 10:29 #11 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
Being someone with a fixation on RedOx ;) , the garlic action on superoxides is what interests me.

As any good cook will tell you (well, Italian ones who eat indian food anyway), the garlic needs a sharp crushing with the side of a large knife to get the good stuff released.

I have used it as a food in experiment, some fish did eat it, some fish detested it. (it's a bit like us I guess).

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01 Feb 2012 15:48 #12 by ger310 (Ger .)
Most of us know the benefits of Garlic to both humans and fish and lots more but my query is,how much garlic is acceptable for a fish? On this thread all that was mentioned was 'chop' and 'crush' the garlic but what does that mean? As a chef if you asked me to crush and chop a clove of garlic,i would only do so if i knew you were going to cook it as small lumps (lets say 1/2mm) of raw garlic can cause problems for humans digestive system and is not very pleasant(and i say this as a garlic lover).....so what would it do to a fishes insides? i am just curious to know what size piece of garlic did people feed there fish.....Did they chop it to small lumps or would it be to a more puree state? I know fish die for lots of reasons,but i'd hate it to be because i OD'ed it on garlic!!!

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01 Feb 2012 16:31 #13 by BillG (Bill Gray)
Garlic definitely works for switching on / enhancing the appetite of some fish, just ask course anglers who use garlic flavoured boilies and pellets as bait. Most of the commercially available products contain garlic extract, the juices, as opposed to actual garlic.
On the amount of it to add to fish food for the aquarium, or the effects it may have on the digestive system of a fish, I have no idea. It certainly has significant benefits for the fish immune system. This is why a lot of commercial fish farms add garlic to the pellets they feed to trout, salmon and carp.
I think a product like the Garlic Guard that Kev mentioned would be better than using raw garlic, simply because there is not hassle in preparing it, just add it to the food.
Garlic Guard is produced by Seachem, Kent do a similar product called Garlic Extreme. The only difference between them as far as I can recall is that the Seachem product has added vitamin C.

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01 Feb 2012 16:46 #14 by ger310 (Ger .)
Bill,i agree with everything you said there but this threads heading is 'is boiled garlic a good food',which got me interested.....there have being some good advise on scenting the food with garlic and others but as preparing the garlic is not a hassle for me,do people on here give raw garlic(nothing else) to there fish and if so,how much?

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01 Feb 2012 17:51 - 01 Feb 2012 17:55 #15 by stretnik (stretnik)
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Would boiling Garlic not reduce it's efficacy? I actually lost two Geophagus sp. shortly after adding chopped raw Garlic into the Tank, the only Fish that were able to eat it were they, the other occupants were way too small Mouth-wise to eat it in any appreciable amounts. This could be a coincidence but was the only thing I had changed.

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01 Feb 2012 18:05 #16 by ger310 (Ger .)
Kev,if the clove is intact when boiling,i cant see how anything happens to it.....its only when you split or as Ian said 'crush' the clove do you get the benefits ie. the release of an enzyme called alliinase!! your second point you made Kev is the one that has me curious!!

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01 Feb 2012 18:16 #17 by stretnik (stretnik)
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I wonder what increase in intestinal Acids occur and how that affects the Fish, is it the Garlic that causes the increase of appetite? does it in itself increase or enhance the immune system or does it just mean that improved appetite leads to healthier Fish ?

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01 Feb 2012 18:30 #18 by ger310 (Ger .)

I wonder what increase in intestinal Acids occur and how that affects the Fish, is it the Garlic that causes the increase of appetite? does it in itself increase or enhance the immune system or does it just mean that improved appetite leads to healthier Fish ?

Kev.



Cheers Kev,with all my fumbling around the houses posts,this is what i was trying to ask.. :crazy:

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01 Feb 2012 19:02 - 01 Feb 2012 22:19 #19 by stretnik (stretnik)
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Ger, Lately that's ALL I have been doing and I don't just mean on the Forum.....fumbling I mean.

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01 Feb 2012 22:08 #20 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
Garlic is more likely to be an appetite suppressor rather than a stimulator of appetite.
But, what it is more likely to do is to tempt an animal to eat it (sulphurous compounds may act as temptation to many).
However, the actions of garlic are manifold, and that diversity of action may affect different animals in different ways.

The action of an anti-microbial, with added incresed immune system and increased anti-oxidant properties will all make for a healthier animal.

Crushing is important...even if cooking. If you cook then crush, then it is likely that you won't get the benefits of garlic. Crush before you boil, then there is a better chance of maintaining the important chemicals.

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01 Feb 2012 22:34 #21 by neki (neki)
I just boiled 2 unpeeled cloves of garlic uncrushed but midway I crushed them just a bit in the middle.

Then to feed the fish I got small pieces of the soft middle region of the garlic by hand, big as to fit their usual food and the rest is story:)

I've seen some youtube videos where people prepare fish food but they put raw garlic and I think raw garlic is to hard for fish to eat and digest or they can get stuck in their 'throat' that's why I boiled them.

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01 Feb 2012 23:35 #22 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
If the cooking destroyed the allicinase enzyme, then you can't effectively get much allicin from the garlic.
crushing must be before cooking.

But, allicin is not necessarily the only potential useful compound in garlic.

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02 Feb 2012 15:10 #23 by ger310 (Ger .)
Sorry lads but i'm failing to see how crushing the garlic before or during boiling can help.....would boiling the clove whole to soften it not be better for would you not lose a lot of the garlic's benefits in the boiling process while crushed?

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02 Feb 2012 15:50 #24 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
I left a word out in my last post, soz,.....boiling the garlic before crushing will release much LESS allicin.

The heating will denature the enzymes, and so crushing after the heating would mean that allicin was not released. Hence, why you crush before heating.
The products of crushing are more likely to be more heat-stable than than the enzymes producing them products.

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02 Feb 2012 19:20 #25 by ger310 (Ger .)
Cheers Ian,it's making sense to me now!!

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