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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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23 Feb 2012 20:33 #1 by wylam (Stuart Sexton)
Hi guys I got 3 of these in my lfs and was told they would be perfect for my set up but others have told me different , could i get an id of EXACTLY what this is.hope the picture is ok

Cheers Stuart.



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23 Feb 2012 21:00 #2 by Gonefishy (Brian oneill)
Looks like a puffer fish to me. Carnivorous, eats worms and silent predator with shit sharp teeth.. Looks all nice, swims really softly with rapid side fin movement but thats just their cover. I used have a few of em but got ick of feeding em live worms. Great looking fish though. That's if I'm right.

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23 Feb 2012 21:19 #3 by paddyc1 (Paddy Corrigan)
Unless my eyes are gone wonkey from flicking between the darts and the golf :blink: that aint a puffer.
Not a cichlid person myself but it's obviously a cichlid

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23 Feb 2012 21:28 - 23 Feb 2012 21:30 #4 by stretnik (stretnik)
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I'm not trying to antagonise here or stir but wth is a Retailer doing, saying it'd be perfect for your set-up if he/she couldn't identify it? btw, it is a Cichlid of sorts, maybe a saulosi variant.

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23 Feb 2012 21:42 #5 by daviddarcy (david darcy)
its a Tanganyika Tropheus not sure wat type do but there a pure vegeterian

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23 Feb 2012 21:45 #6 by ricko10 (jamie)
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its a Tanganyika Tropheus not sure wat type do but there a pure vegeterian


I would agree with david. Some kind of moorii i would guess?

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23 Feb 2012 21:51 - 23 Feb 2012 21:53 #7 by stretnik (stretnik)
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23 Feb 2012 22:03 #8 by wylam (Stuart Sexton)
Cheers guys,

Ok atm i have 3 of these in my tank, they are 1M 2F. they are about 20-30mm long.Its a mixed tank with 2 sucker fish some danio's and minnos.Should i be bringing these fish back to the shop immediatly?

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23 Feb 2012 22:09 #9 by stretnik (stretnik)
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Feeding would be the main concern, the Minnows and Danios are omnivores so protein would be part of their diet, not something you should be feeding Tropheus. If all is going well and they are healthy I would be getting rid of the Minnows and Danios rather than the Tropheus.

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23 Feb 2012 22:33 #10 by ricko10 (jamie)
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Ok, so never having kept tangs myself, what would the min tank size, and number of fish that should be kept together? Also will the tank have to be a species only tank due to diet?

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23 Feb 2012 23:24 - 23 Feb 2012 23:31 #11 by keitho (keith o reilly)
hi wylam

it could be these guys Tropheus sp. "Red" (Kachese)
just my 2 cents worth. not really sure if you look up
cichlid forum it might help you

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23 Feb 2012 23:27 #12 by wylam (Stuart Sexton)
cheers kev ,

I would like to keep them as they are lovely looking fish and have quite a bit of character to them.there are 3 of them 20-30mm in size atm and the tank is only 60-70L.But as the wife has agreed to "allow" me to get a bigger set up, i should be expanding soon.But i would not really be interested in a species only set up, unless there were a good variety that can be kept together. Will the sucker fish i have be ok to stay in the tank?

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23 Feb 2012 23:39 #13 by ger310 (Ger .)
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Hi guys I got 3 of these in my lfs and was told they would be perfect for my set up but others have told me different , could i get an id of EXACTLY what this is.hope the picture is ok

Cheers Stuart.



To be fair,on my initial glance i thought Figure 8 Puffer....think it was the yellow circle on the head!!

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24 Feb 2012 00:00 #14 by wylam (Stuart Sexton)
Ok cheers guys,

Now that I am the unintentional new father of 3 tropheus. How best can i change around my current setup to accommodate them?Or does it need to be changed?Atm my tank has gravel substrate no living plants except for what you see in the pic, attached to the bog wood, (which they have already started to eat)There are 2 pieces of bog wood which i have arranged into a small cave to let the tropheus have somewhere to hide.other than that there is just a few fake plants.

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24 Feb 2012 00:45 #15 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
I saw the thread earlier, and I didn't reply as my reply would have mentioned something about the shop selling such fish as having no ID. Even if they couldn't tell you which morph it was, I recon Tropheus would have been the least part of the name to plonk on it.

Anyway, you've had a nice welcome to the world of Tropheus. Super fish, and I sometimes miss not keeping them anymore.

Even if you get the right water parameters, good appropriate food and good clean water are key points.

You'll need to get use to the rather duff swimming behaviour of these....and for a fish that can barely swim properly, it can't have move fast.
Telling the difference between the normal slight wobble in their swimming and an advanced notice of something going wrong inside is a good skill to get to grips with.

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24 Feb 2012 03:16 #16 by sheag35 (Seamus Gillespie)
they are tropheus, tropheus motosi ( i know i had a few) even though the spelling may be wrong, they will not harm your danio's or minnows, but most prob eat all your plants , feed a veg diet or they will develop bloat 3 of them in 60-70 might be a bit tight considering an adult size of about 6 inches, but keep your water in the higher ph min 7.5 really if you want to keep them fit and healthy, i kept mine at 8.5 and they where brilliant, lovely rarish troph, your only prob will be if you add more troph's they really are fiesty with conspecifics

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24 Feb 2012 17:25 #17 by wylam (Stuart Sexton)
Hi guys cheers for all the replies,

As of this morning there were 5 minno's and 3 danio's in the tank with them and when i got home from work 3 minnos and 1 danio were dead.No disease in the tank but they do have quite a bit of nipping on there finns which i thought might have happened after death, until i looked at the remaining fish and most of which were stuck in one corner of the tank, afraid to move. So i decided to rehome all the remaining danios and minno's to a small plastic tank i have.How long before these guys reach full adult size? ie. how long do i have before they are 5-6 inches.

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24 Feb 2012 22:29 #18 by wylam (Stuart Sexton)
Thanks chris,

When i bought these fish i was told that they were near maturity and would start breeding soon.And i was also told that they were nearly at their full size and would not get much bigger.I will be a month or two at least before i will be getting a larger tank I'm just wondering how long i have before they out grow this tank which is quite small as it is.

On a different note if i can manage to keep these guys healthy(and alive) long enough for them to see the new tank. what other fish can be kept with them and what kind of set up would i be looking to build into the new tank to give them a good home?And have ye guys got names of any good books i'll need to get that i can have a look at.

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25 Feb 2012 06:31 #19 by sheag35 (Seamus Gillespie)
i'd be very surprised if they reached full size in a month or too but the faster you get the tank the better but for 1-2 months they should be fine

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25 Feb 2012 10:47 #20 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
@Wylam.....maybe you need to go back to shop for some good answers :) (only joking as you were told a load of crap by the shop).

Basically, the complete answer is 'welcome to the world of Tanganyikan Cichlids'.
I won't recommend a book as the ones which I have are some the original key books and no longer available....but there are plenty of good ones out there now (make sure that the authors are not the shop mind!).

Temperament in Tropheus can be somewhat variable. One of the best, I find, predictable are T dubosi....when the male hits about 4 or 5 years old he can be fiend. Others are not always quite so bad.

Part of the key with this is to play psychological games with their decor. Select fish wanting differing parts of the tank to own.
That means do a bit of homework on what fish you like and then see if they will fit nicely into a mixed Tang tank.

One of the nice things about tang cichlids is that you have a large variety of shape, form and colour to add to a tank. There is also an option to add some rift valley synodontis catfish as well.

As for growing, my advice is don't force feed these into growth. Let them graze with good quality appropriate food for Tropheus (there's plenty on the market).

So...yeah, go the whole hog and make the tank a complete Tanganyikan tank. You'll never look back as you start doing water changes on your ever increasing number of tanks. :)

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25 Feb 2012 17:22 #21 by wylam (Stuart Sexton)
Ha ha , cheers Ian.

I went back to the shop today and he will be taking back the fish, in exchange for something different, more suited to my skill level and tank capacity.(both of which are quite low lol)I do love the look of cichlids tough and he has suggested dwarf cockatoo cichlids, any views on this? bare in mind that i will be getting a bigger set up.

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25 Feb 2012 19:14 #22 by ricko10 (jamie)
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A good starter fish if your getting into dwarfs. Your ph is a bit high for them but easily brought down if needed. W good choice in my opinion.

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25 Feb 2012 20:05 #23 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
@Wylam, although Tropheus are not normally what would be recommended to a total beginner, I think that good fish keeping skills and following the 'rules' can pay good rewards even if one has been keeping fish for only a short while.

The problem that I see with the Apistogrammas recommended to you are that many of them that I see are simply pants and doomed to be die no matter who is keeping them.

If I were personally asked which of the 2 you should stick with if they were the only choices, then I'd say go for the Tropheus.
There are many people here who can give good advice on keeping them, but there's not much anyone can do to help with duff Apistos.

On a philosophical matter, there is always a question that many of us have had to answer at some stage: when is experience enough experience; when do you become 'experienced'?

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26 Feb 2012 03:34 #24 by wylam (Stuart Sexton)
Following the rules and taking onboard advice are two things i can do.Trying to convince the wife we need a bigger tank !!!!!!!! a little trickier :( . I think i will go for the dwarfs, even if one or two of them turn out to be duffs the experience i'll gain from keeping them will let me have a better chance of success when i move on to bigger and better things. I HOPE..........

Cheers again for the feed back guys always appreciated.

Stuart.

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26 Feb 2012 10:19 #25 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
I didn't note the size of your tank, but I re-read back over to see.

Yep, experience is also knowing how to get around the OH....although some might say that several divorce cases amounts to being called an experienced fishkeeper :-(( :ohmy:

Baby fish....that often works. Especially baby cichlids being looked after by the parents. It's like a bloke taking some cutie dogs for a walk in local park....grabs the attention of women. :laugh:

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26 Feb 2012 11:01 #26 by mickdeja (Mick Whelan)


Yep, experience is also knowing how to get around the OH...
Baby fish....that often works. Especially baby cichlids being looked after by the parents. It's like a bloke taking some cutie dogs for a walk in local park....grabs the attention of women. :laugh:


Well said Ian :cool:

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