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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

Is tank size the problem?

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17 Mar 2012 14:24 - 17 Mar 2012 14:27 #1 by wylam (Stuart Sexton)
Hi guys,

So I got a pair of kribs when i restocked. They didnt get along and then the male killed the female.So i went to my LFS and got another female, this one slightly larger to try and even things up a bit.Same result, after only hours of her being in the tank he was bullying her.So he got put in the naughty net the lights went off and i rearranged the tank , in an effort to put things on an even keel.This didnt work so i thought that this male was trouble so brought him back and got another male from same shop.Brought him home stuck him in and same story again :( within an hour he had the female hiding in a corner and every so often he would attack her and anyone that was in the immediate area. I didnt have time to go back to the shop again so i had to leave them at it and hope they settled down. that did not work and 2 days later another dead female. He has been in the tank on his own now for the whole week and he has not so much as looked at any of the other fish.The tank is only lightly stocked atm and i'm wondering is it the size of the tank that is the problem, do these fish need more space etc.Waters tests are all good and the fish are in a low traffic part of the house so there should be very little stress. As most of you know its a 70L tank.

Cheers Stuart.

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17 Mar 2012 17:42 - 17 Mar 2012 17:43 #2 by Alex (Alex)
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Yeah if your keeping more than one krib that isnt a pair you deffo need a bigger tank. Sounds like your male had no interest in breeding with that female and terrorized it.
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17 Mar 2012 19:13 #3 by davey_c (dave clarke)
yea i agree with alex, if you just want to buy 2 then make sure they are an established pair otherwise you have already been a victim of the opposing effects unfortunately.
personally i'm not a fan of buying 2 and hoping they pair off (i prefer to buy groups) although your tank would be quite small for anymore than 2, you would nearly have been better off buying 2-3 females so the male has multiples to chase instead of terrorising the 1 to death... you would have more of a chance of ending up with a pair you can hold onto :cool: did she have enough hiding places??

hopefully you'll have better luck next time :)

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17 Mar 2012 22:30 #4 by BillG (Bill Gray)
dave_c wrote

personally i'm not a fan of buying 2 and hoping they pair off (i prefer to buy groups) although your tank would be quite small for anymore than 2, you would nearly have been better off buying 2-3 females so the male has multiples to chase instead of terrorising the 1 to death... you would have more of a chance of ending up with a pair


Hi Stuart,

this is true of most cichlid species where there is no way of guaranteeing getting a pair just because you add a male and female to the tank. The best option is to all a group of fish and let them pair off, getting rid of any fish not paired off eventually. The other tried and tested method of pairing is to add 2 females for every male and when you are sure you have a pair, get rid of the surplus female. It is definitely advisable to get rid of the solitary female once a pair forms, as the paired female will potentially kill her, its not only the male is a threat.

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18 Mar 2012 11:44 #5 by wylam (Stuart Sexton)
Ok thanks for the replies guys, yeah it seems ill just have to hang on for awhile in the hope's that the OH will let me upgrade so i can buy a group of them and let em pair off. Will the male be ok in the tank on his own ? With the female gone will he turn his agression to the other fish or will he be cool?

Cheers Stuart.

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18 Mar 2012 12:53 #6 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
I'm not totally convinced that tank size is the problem.

Territory and compatibility issues in a number of african cichlids is not just related to physical area/volume, but extends to visual volume.

You could put 2 dwarf africans in a 6 foot tank and still find a relentless aggression going on if one fish does not take to the other. Fortunately, kribs are not the most aggressive african cichlid....you'd need to venture into the other dwarf africans to find the true aggressive africans.

The direction is not always from male aggression to female, but can easily work the other way round in that some females will beat the hell out of even pretty tough males.

Kribs do have one of the most interesting (and possibly complex) breeding behaviours of all cichlids. The roles of the parents are very interesting....and who knows what gets into one of the parents heads concerning if the other is just a duffer parent or not!
Could it be that the male moves the babies to the 'night spot' too soon, and the female decides he's duff and kills him? could it be that that male thinks the female is not guiding the young to the right grazing spot when he sees a better one and thinks she's a duffer?
The more complex the breeding behaviour, the more complex could be the interaction of the parents.

ian

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18 Mar 2012 12:54 #7 by igmillichip (ian millichip)

should not attack other fish, unless he has ADHD ;)


And....most likely he does. ;)

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