Ian Compton / Destroyed Shipment.

I have to voice extreme disappointment in Ian's reluctance to answer the simple question, WHAT IS THE STATE OF AFFAIRS RE THE DESTROYED LIVESTOCK ? He is posting and no doubt saw the requests for information regarding same, why no answers??

Kev.

Sometimes no answers are answers in themselves, I think all the answers to the questions raised are in the post
link
www.irishfishkeepers.com/index.php/forum...ally-physically-sick

no matter what is said some people will believe what they want to believe so i'm sure you can make up your own mind kev.... you are a big boy after all

My fishy shopping route has changed, I visit Seahorse via M50, used to be via Brittas. (It was a much longer route anyway so no loss).

joemc wrote:

Sometimes no answers are answers in themselves, I think all the answers to the questions raised are in the post
link
www.irishfishkeepers.com/index.php/forum...ally-physically-sick

davey_c wrote:

no matter what is said some people will believe what they want to believe so i'm sure you can make up your own mind kev.... you are a big boy after all

It is not my mind that matters, it is the welfare of the Fish in question that matters there are no updates on a tragedy that allegedly occurred and were publicly aired on this Forum, a request was made for support but no attempt to garner support via an Aquatic Village created Petition was made.

I am making this Post because I genuinely believe it needs to be addressed.

Kev.

stretnik wrote:

davey_c wrote:

no matter what is said some people will believe what they want to believe so i'm sure you can make up your own mind kev.... you are a big boy after all

It is not my mind that matters, it is the welfare of the Fish in question that matters there are no updates on a tragedy that allegedly occurred and were publicly aired on this Forum, a request was made for support but no attempt to garner support via an Aquatic Village created Petition was made.

I am making this Post because I genuinely believe it needs to be addressed.

Kev.

do ye realy kev... sorry but ye just love to know ye have 1 up on someone so what am i ment to think... we all know what happened the fish and that their welfare was compremised, but by who ye ask??... well that seems to be left to the members to decide themselves... any why was that you ask... well its all there in black and white on the other thread...
just don't expect this thread to be justified with an answer!!

stretnik wrote:

I have to voice extreme disappointment in Ian's reluctance to answer the simple question, WHAT IS THE STATE OF AFFAIRS RE THE DESTROYED LIVESTOCK ? He is posting and no doubt saw the requests for information regarding same, why no answers??

Kev.

must be why hes advertising on done deal instead of the forum

Here is an update on destroyed shipment!

for one the dspca want nothing to do with it.

they answer to the department of Agriculture

the irish times obviously arnt interested they did not follow up the story

suddenly the taxman and vatman are on my case all of a sudden....the people we ususally deal with were replaced...suprise suprise so now i have my hands full....so less the wise cracks kev i have a lot to handle at the moment....

Plus i have the biggest fish house in the country to run solo at the minute i work 90 hours a week and dont have the time to keep postin on this site.....

so theres the update

cheers
ian

they tried to scuttle my latest import....

davey_c wrote:

stretnik wrote:

davey_c wrote:

no matter what is said some people will believe what they want to believe so i'm sure you can make up your own mind kev.... you are a big boy after all

It is not my mind that matters, it is the welfare of the Fish in question that matters there are no updates on a tragedy that allegedly occurred and were publicly aired on this Forum, a request was made for support but no attempt to garner support via an Aquatic Village created Petition was made.

I am making this Post because I genuinely believe it needs to be addressed.

Kev.

do ye realy kev... sorry but ye just love to know ye have 1 up on someone so what am i ment to think... we all know what happened the fish and that their welfare was compremised, but by who ye ask??... well that seems to be left to the members to decide themselves... any why was that you ask... well its all there in black and white on the other thread...
just don't expect this thread to be justified with an answer!!

well there ya go Davey, looks like it just has been....

Kev.

ipcompto wrote:

Here is an update on destroyed shipment!

for one the dspca want nothing to do with it.

they answer to the department of Agriculture

the irish times obviously arnt interested they did not follow up the story

suddenly the taxman and vatman are on my case all of a sudden....the people we ususally deal with were replaced...suprise suprise so now i have my hands full....so less the wise cracks kev i have a lot to handle at the moment....

Plus i have the biggest fish house in the country to run solo at the minute i work 90 hours a week and dont have the time to keep postin on this site.....

so theres the update

cheers
ian

they tried to scuttle my latest import....

Where Ian , have I made ANY wisecracks about anything re your quandry? Please point them out to me.

I am on your side and that of your stock. It was shameful how they were treated.

I read your post and was amazed that with the stroke of a Pen, they could be destroyed but given the gravity of the situation and treatment you got as a Tax Payer, Employer and Retailer, the owness was on you alone to seek an apology and more.

You found it necessary to post the details on the Forum.

You say you work many hours and have more to do than answer a simple question but come on Ian, reading back over the last year, trivia was a big part of your posts so finding the time to answer what was asked in my question consists of a mere few lines compared to the many written on Travellers that visited your Store.

You would, In my opinion, have got more direct support from the forum members if you had formulated some sort plan of action re addressing the situation but you wanted them to do it for you.

Most people on this site are either employed or taking care of children in their Homes so time for them too is important and more gainfully used taking care of their own business.

I just received a pm saying I was trying to get one up, that is something I never do, I like to see a thread that I am involved in solve a question or get some resolution. I have no interest in belittling or insulting anyone.

If you are happy this has been resolved, fine, that's your call but remember this, the Public are better informed these days and when anyone posts a contentious story, prepare for it to be analysed and scrutinised.

Kev.

Hi guys ,

I've been away for awhile and i only read this post and the original posts on this subject this morning.I'm frankly shocked and bemused at the way the posts went from sympathy and support to some kind of witch hunt.

There is no question a mistake was made at some point from filling out the order form too import the fish, and their arrival in dublin airport.whether it was Ian's fault, his man a dublin airport , the airline or the supplier matters very little.The fact of the matter is Ian is right , there should be a plan B for when things turn up in the airport that shouldn't be there.If an illegal immigrant showed up they would be sent home or sent to a holding area until they were processed,or placed in one of the many facilities around the country.If we didnt have these places set up would we be just shooting them in the head? i dont think so.

On the citizens advice website it states that pets/animals that arrive in ireland without proper documentation will be either sent back to place of origin or held for up to 4 months in quarantine at the expense of the importer/ owner.Now surely they could include imports of ornamental fish in this?

A loss of this size would have sent many businesses to the wall.The offer made by Ian to house the fish until they could be BIP certified seems like a valid one to me. He's not some rouge trader who will disappear with the fish once he has them.He did not try and smuggle them in or illegally import them.It seemed like a very viable option considering the alternetive was to destroy the fish that benefitted no one.

And about this petition, i have seen many petitions setup by people who did not have a direct tie to the issue.The vita cortex workers in cork is a good example of this.Their campaign, which included face book, twitter, blogs, signed petitions ,radio and television appearances which lasted for 8 months was all set up and organised by a person who had no link at all to vita cortex or any of its workers.some one who was just effected by the issues which surrounded it.

Now i ask the people who posted on the original thread, as fish keepers were ye guys effected by the needless destruction of so many fish?If the answer is yes then why was something not done about it?There was a thread a few months back where someone joined our website just to let us know of a shop in dublin that had been vacated and a fish tank and fish had just been left to die.The responce was fantastic and people went out of their way to try and help.This time they try and poke holes in the story, like some thing in the soaps examining times and dates and looking up import order forms to try and vilify someone.

I have not set up any petition as its long past the time of the event, but i have sent an email to 3 of my local councilors, an email to The Department of agri, food and marine as well as an email to the Minister directly.Outlining the details of the incident and asking for some kind of explanation on the lack of facilities to house such animals which arrive without proper documentation.I wont hold my breath on getting a response , but it was the least i could do.

Stuart.

PS, this is now in the public domain and i have given some thought in the way its worded, please feel free to paraphrase it to suit the particular grievance you might have with some thing i said. oh and make sure to throw in a few of those face's to make it look like you're joking.

totaly agree with stuart and its a shame to see very little was done about it, i assume if there was any petition that for the amount of names that would have been signed would have been minimal because its purpose was lost within the main thread??

Oh don't you just love those get out of Jail emoticons, used so often to mask derisory and malicious remarks, it's like the "with all due respect" preemptives that are so often used to make a nasty comment acceptable.

Kev.

ok maybe i should have phrased it this way......i brought the matter to the forums attention.I did so to make u guys aware.You guys are the voice of the hobby i can only do so much.Its up to you as the public to take this further i cannot.....i apply for liscences every week.....last week they nearly did the same thing again until i went to european commission website and proved them wrong.....you are the power i am not.....several months ago i had staff to do what i do now so your arguement about trivia is not relevent i started work at 7 this morning im still here now at 7 this evening and will be for a bit longer...read stuarts post fair play to him he has hit the nail on the head....i think the forum should approach the department you have enough good guys including yourself to get some where....anyways i diod not mean ton have a go at you.....just direct your question towards the authorities.....ill help where i can....
cheers got to go clean filters...
IAn

excellent apprasial of the situation....
cheers dude!

I totally understand Ian and that is the reason I did not add my comments to the original thread, I was hoping that it might kick start a new attack on what originally occurred, I have absolutely no idea about Licences,permits and so on so for me to initiate proceedings would be a non Runner, you on the other hand, have all of the important details, content, times & necessary specifics, if I had all of that information I would have contacted smaller Newspapers like the Northside News or the Southside equivalent publications, TV 3 etc, all of these are constantly on the lookout for interesting topics.

If it was my problem, I would devote my every waking moment to expose those responsible, I would develope a Paper trail to protect myself from victimisation, contacting local Indepedent politicians to put a protective barrier between myself and personal and operational attacks.

Kev.

JohnH wrote:

stretnik wrote:

I totally understand Ian and that is the reason I did not add my comments to the original thread, I was hoping that it might kick start a new attack on what originally occurred, I have absolutely no idea about Licences,permits and so on so for me to initiate proceedings would be a non Runner, you on the other hand, have all of the important details, content, times & necessary specifics, if I had all of that information I would have contacted smaller Newspapers like the Northside News or the Southside equivalent publications, TV 3 etc, all of these are constantly on the lookout for interesting topics.

If it was my problem, I would devote my every waking moment to expose those responsible, I would develope a Paper trail to protect myself from victimisation, contacting local Indepedent politicians to put a protective barrier between myself and personal and operational attacks.

Kev.

We have an Independent TD here in Tipp - you can have him with my complements (and, no, we don't want him back afterwards).

John

Who ever said there isn't enough fodder for a Waste incinerator!!??

Kev.

Thats what happened is really disgusting
I'm very far from saying who is and who is not responsible for this, but we, as largest irish fish keeperes community can make a little effort and prepare a nice petition to the proper minister or department ( articultural, etc, I'm not sure) and demand introduction of plan B , to prevent anything similar in the future.
Basing on experience and example we have at the moment I'd like somebody smart to prepare online petition we can all sign and send it everywhere it should be sent and cc some media on this as well.

( due to my poor language skills I don't feel in position to prepare this letter, but I can be first to comment my thoufghts on this letter and sign it when it is ready.

At the moment fish are gone, problem is gone, nobody is interested.
Let do something big, let know to other shops( sponsors) about this project to let them sign petition as well.

So ? anyone to help?

I can't really see somebody taking on this task, except maybe the shop owner in discussion just for the simple fact that he alone knows the truth. All this discussion of who's right or wrong is based on his side of the story and even that was not backed yet with hard facts.

Even if he's right (and I'm not saying he's not), the authorities were in the right to destroy the shipment as the procedure of importing it wasn't to the letter of the law. It's as simple as that. In the eyes of the law, there aren't and shouldn't be any grey areas, the regulations are put in place to protect stock, legitimate exporters and importers, shops and finally hobbyists like the users of this forum.

@m4r10. The placing blame on what happened is not the issue, because as you said the regulations were followed by customs.the real issue is the lack of a plan B in these regulations, when human error comes into play.You said "the regulations are put in place to protect stock" these fish all had vet certs with them to say they were healthy. Human error meant that in stead of flying through england to get their final BIP certification, they instead came straight to dublin airport.So perfectly healthy fish through no fault of their own were needlessly destroyed because our lazy government do not have proper facilities set up.Even if they did not have the time , space and money to set up such a facility then they could at least designate an appropriate aquarium company who could handle emergency cases like this one.Surely this would cost less than the vet bill for destroying 3000 fish, the time the airport staff were dealing with this issue and of coarse the overall cost of the loss of the shipment.

Stuart.

I am horrified to hear what happened shipment Ian and everybody feels for you. The fact that this loss has hurt you far more than just money comes accross in every word. I do however feel that the way you have conducted yourself on this thread has been a PR disaster it was you brought it to public domain so people had a right to ask you questions about it yet anything that was asked that you found to be awkward you either ignored or glossed over and to be honest some of the exchanges in the later part of the thread just left a bad taste in the mouth. Again I repeat that reading your comments leaves nobody in any doubt that the welfare of the fish was foremost in your concerns.
john

Wow, 20 plus posts since i posted!
first off steward,there was no attempt by me to vilify Ian, me looking at the info he posted or elsewhere for the answers to my questions was absolutly no different than you looking to the citizens advice website for the information that you sought.
the vita cortex protests were a very good example of a well run and organised campaign, but to me the similarities ended there. No campaign or petition will ever succeed without the support of all concerned and the facts on the case.
You making the effort to write letters to ministers councilers etc is admirable, hats off to you on the positive energy expended there.
I did not focus my postings on the 3000 fish culled for good reason, to me it was not the issue and focusing on that point would have had no positive outcome and diverted from the thread as i saw it.
What interests and surprises me most is not the level of interest in this thread as fish being culled is an emotive issue with any fish keeper but with the glaringly obvious way forward to tackle this issue, especially with recent events posted here on the forum it surprises me that that step has not been taken.
Overall the thread developed the way it did not because of questions I or others asked but because Ian decided not to answer them. Ian posted this thread and it was up to him to steer the ship.
To me the forum is for open discussion and debate when these type of topics are posted.I have found the majority of the forum members are a helpful bunch and will go out of their way to help and assist other fishkeepers with problems, but and it is a big but! they are not sheep and have minds of their own, if someone posts a problem in any section on the forum be it about a sick fish, a plant not growing well of a coral they want to keep the first replies are generally asking for information on the particular problem and details on the tank to help decide a cource of action, this to me was no different.