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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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22 Feb 2013 01:11 #1 by LemonJelly (Johnny Cowley)
i'm thinking of getting rid of my breeding pair of convicts and doing a dwarf cichlid setup ie sand, lots of leaves and alder cones, bogwood... a crapload of tannins, basically :ohmy:

any suggestions as to what type to try? it's only a 16 gallon tank

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22 Feb 2013 01:36 - 22 Feb 2013 01:40 #2 by JohnH (John)
Replied by JohnH (John) on topic dwarf cichlids
I would suggest, if you've a mind to try Apistos then Cacatuoides would probably be one of the 'safest' starters.
Bolivian Rams, another nice-looking yet pretty hardy Dwarf, the ever popular Krib, Aequidens Curviceps, although the genus has been reclassified now to something beginning with an 'L'.
Others worth trying as a 'starter' dwarf might be Nannacara Anomola and the African Butterfly dwarf Cichlid (the latin name of which escapes me for the moment but someone will know it) (they were known as Pelmatachromis Thomasi in the old days, but they, again, have been reclassified into a new genus now).
Those are a few worthy of checking out, but doubtless others here will have others to suggest.
John

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22 Feb 2013 03:27 #3 by sheag35 (Seamus Gillespie)
johnh has given you a good few options there, for me personally its got to be apistos or nannacaras,

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22 Feb 2013 07:28 #4 by ceech (Desmond Gaynor)
Apistos Cacatuoides ,Apistogramma macmasteri,Apistogramma atahualpa ,Egyptian Mouthbrooder,German blue ram ,banded dwarf cichlid .I suppose it depends on what you can get where you buy your fish as john said Apisto cacatuoides would be a good starting point.They were the first type of dwarf cichlid i had and very beautiful and have a great personality:-) you will enjoy watching them and the males are stunning.The female are plane but when they are ready to breed they go bright yellow , a lovely sight.

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22 Feb 2013 10:47 #5 by Deaglan (Deaglan)
Replied by Deaglan (Deaglan) on topic dwarf cichlids
Agree with JohnH the Laetacara (Aequidens) curviceps are stunning as are the Anomalochromis thomasi(African Butterfly cichlid)
Nannacara are great too, I have a Male left from a pair I got who now swims with my Bolivian Rams....
Dicrossus filamentosa are nice too.
Apistos are hard to beat though.
But as Cheech says it all depends on whats available to where you shop.

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22 Feb 2013 15:33 #6 by LemonJelly (Johnny Cowley)
I think I'm leaning towards Rams, if only because they were one of the first fish I got and the male was such a stunner that I don't think I ever had a fish to equal him since... he was like a galleon at full sail!!!

Failing that, the nannacara sounds like a good alternative

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22 Feb 2013 15:44 - 22 Feb 2013 15:45 #7 by Deaglan (Deaglan)
Replied by Deaglan (Deaglan) on topic dwarf cichlids

I think I'm leaning towards Rams


Good choice provided you can get quality Rams. :blink:

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22 Feb 2013 15:52 - 22 Feb 2013 15:59 #8 by JohnH (John)
Replied by JohnH (John) on topic dwarf cichlids
One thing I omitted to add to last night's answer.
At heart Dwarf Cichlids are just little Cichlids (obvious, really) but they still have the same territorial instinct and can be equally - if not more so - aggressive as their larger cousins.
It might be that in such a small tank as you plan to use this trait may just become even more evident than in a somewhat larger one.
Plenty of hiding spaces - including a 'sort of' barrier between each half of the tank may help. Sometimes this isn't always necessary as may just you get a pair which seem 'happy' with each other's company but...it's as well to be aware of the potential 'danger' which might be ahead.
Some times you can get away with adding a few of what those in the know call 'dither fish' - smaller more innocuous fish upon which the Dwarf Cichlids can take out their aggression - sometimes combining to constantly attack (if they could catch them!) what they must come to see as 'intruders'.
Classic examples, I find, are things like Cherry and Chequer Barbs, some Characins, livebearers (especially Guppies) - the list goes on and everybody has their own personal favourites.

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Last edit: 22 Feb 2013 15:59 by JohnH (John). Reason: Added another little bit about "dither" fish.

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22 Feb 2013 16:06 #9 by Deaglan (Deaglan)
Replied by Deaglan (Deaglan) on topic dwarf cichlids
Very good point! Well worth bearing in mind!

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22 Feb 2013 19:45 #10 by LemonJelly (Johnny Cowley)
@JohnH How many Rams would you recommend for a 16g tank? And how many should I add in one go?

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22 Feb 2013 21:51 #11 by JohnH (John)
Replied by JohnH (John) on topic dwarf cichlids
Sorry, I miised this earlier.
I also misread your tank size, for some inexplicable reason I read 16ltr instead of 16 gallons.
Hopefully it's something like 30x12x12?
This would be marginally preferable to a less-wide, deeper tank.
Anyway, it seems you've settled on Rams which might be a good choice if you can get some European-bred ones. I'm no fan of those from the Far East (as I have 'hinted' previously).
It really is a bit of a hard call - I personally would go for three, or even four but would get them together and introduce them into the tank together as well.
Others may differ and I'm only telling you what I personally would do.
My inclination would be - if at all possible - to get 1 male and three females, the latter seeming to be a bit more tolerant of one another (but only a bit).
If you can manage it some small Corys would be good tank-mates and, as previously suggested, some 'dither' fish (I hate that description, without any valid reason).
Introduce them all with the lights turned off for a few hours and watch how things progress. There will be a good bit of 'shaping up' done, along with some mock battles but hopefully things will settle down over time and each will claim its own part of the tank as its personal territory.
Now, all this may just be a bit 'over the top' and they all settle down with each other peacefully - I've had it happen both ways with Rams so it's as well to be prepared for the worst case scenario.
When will you be getting your new fish? - Presumably you have to find a new home for the Convicts first?
Let us know how things work out, we all seem pretty interested in Dwarf Cichlids (at least quite a lot are).
John

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23 Feb 2013 00:03 #12 by LemonJelly (Johnny Cowley)
This tank is a Juwel Rekord70. Someone suggested Cherry Barbs as "dithers" (yeah, hate the word too. Makes it sound like they DO stuff with actually accomplishing anything). I've had them before and their gentler nature, compared to some of their cousins, would suit a ram tank, I think.

I think it'll be a few months at least before I start on this particular project. I've got two very successful Convict parents and their multitudinous fry to re-home first :crazy:

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23 Feb 2013 00:37 #13 by Acara (Dave Walters)
Replied by Acara (Dave Walters) on topic dwarf cichlids
There's some very, very good info and species listed here, so I won't repeat it, however, in my opinion, a big consideration is what fry will you be able to move. My favourites above would be the Laetacara(curviceps, dorsigera, etc), but nobody wants the fry. Apistos are usually easy to shift. Kribs easy to shift sometimes, but there's plenty about. Ime, if you list good fry at a couple of euro each, you won't shift many, people would rather go to a shop and buy them at many times that price.

Sorry to sound so negative, but that's often the reality of it. We can all spurn out fry, but then find we're stuck with them.

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23 Feb 2013 11:07 #14 by LemonJelly (Johnny Cowley)
i know the feeling. I think I'm going to be "daddy" to alot of convicts (I know, that sounds SO wrong! :sick: ), for quite some time. Though in this setup breeding isn't something I'm looking for really. If it happens, it happens... but I'm not setting out to breed them

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