Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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noeleire (noel)
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05 May 2013 17:41 #1 by noeleire (noel)

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HI all has it ever happened to you i am trying to change over to discus but first i have to move on my other fish mostly south american i rang seahorse today to see would they exchange the fish or give store credit for the fish as nearly all fish were purchased in the shop and was told that they would not take any back most fish are still small 3 to 4 inches still easy to sell on . I was very disappointed after the call because i bought my tank from them and loads of fish over the years i think this should be told when buying that they will not take fish back or give credit ......

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05 May 2013 17:57 #2 by anglecichlid (ciaran hogan)

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I wouldn't worry about it tbh,if you ask around id say there's
A shop around your neck of the woods that would take them!

Anyone with a aquarium can keep fish,
But it takes real skill to be a fish keeper,

And it's spongeBob,
SpongeBob lives in a pineapple under the sea
BLANCHARDSTOWN

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05 May 2013 18:04 #3 by hammie (Neil Hammerton)

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Put up a list of what you have and prices......
Lads here might take them off ya

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05 May 2013 18:21 #4 by bmcg38 (Brian McGrath)

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umm , that doesnt sound great no doubt .. saying that there are other stores that will be happy to work with you

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05 May 2013 18:33 #5 by ger310 (Ger .)

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How old are the Fish?....3-4 inches can be tiny for some fish but massive for others!

What are the fish?

And as the lads said....There could be 'A shop around your neck of the woods that would take them' and also 'Put up a list of what you have and prices'.....

Ger

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A Wonkey....duh ha

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05 May 2013 19:20 #6 by wolfie (Anthony)

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did they say they wouldn't take them back at all or just that they wouldn't give you credit for them?

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05 May 2013 22:36 #7 by paddyc1 (Paddy Corrigan)

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Different stores will have different policies on taking back fish. You may be better off selling on the forum as you would prob get a better price.
Personally, I wouldn't be disappointed with any retailer that won't take stock back because remember, they are buying from trusted sources and knowing SH, they would QT your fish if they took them in which means 1 QT tank taken up for a few days just for your trade in.
I wouldn't take it personally...probably just a rule they have

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05 May 2013 23:19 #8 by JohnH (John)

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noeleire wrote:
HI all has it ever happened to you i am trying to change over to discus but first i have to move on my other fish mostly south american i rang seahorse today to see would they exchange the fish or give store credit for the fish as nearly all fish were purchased in the shop and was told that they would not take any back most fish are still small 3 to 4 inches still easy to sell on . I was very disappointed after the call because i bought my tank from them and loads of fish over the years i think this should be told when buying that they will not take fish back or give credit ......

In his defence I will say that noeleire has tried twice to sell his fish on the Forum - indeed several are 'on hold'.
www.irishfishkeepers.com/index.php/forum...le/131328-cheap-fish
www.irishfishkeepers.com/index.php/forum...fish-for-sale#146659

BUT...
If a shop has a policy of not buying back, or exchanging fish for credit - so be it.

The Sponsor's personal Section is not the place to air complaints, even though he wasn't openly complaining as such, merely stating his disappointment with that shop.

I should think that noeleire will not be making any further purchases from the shop in question but I would ask him to refrain from using the Sponsor's Section to air his views in future.

John

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N. Tipp

We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl - year after year.

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It's a long way to Tipperary.

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06 May 2013 08:56 #9 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)

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While its tough to move fish on, I had a few last week I needed to move and eventually it was a garden centre shop that took them from me instead. I can understand why the fish shops said they wouldnt take the fish. My own experience of Seahorses has been nothing but excellent over the years. As for any fish shop that are taking a fish off you, I really dont think you can expect a shop to give you credit for a return fish unless its a more expensive type fish which can be guaranteed to sell on, in which case you would of most likely offloaded it on the forum in the first case. If you always shopping there then maybe but it would be very much at the businesses discretion.

Hopefully Noeleire you will get someone to take them off your hands.

Gavin

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06 May 2013 09:20 #10 by igmillichip (ian millichip)

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I'm glad to see this moved out of the sponsors section as I think that this is a forum topic for discussion in general (without naming specific shops of course).

The facility to bring back fish or trade-ins etc is an interesting, complex and delicate subject as not only does it work within specific policy of shop, it also works within the ability/inability to move certain species of fish on (as we know from experience, some fish will go out the door as soon as they come in and some will end up being shop decorations), available space for the specific specimens, and also asks questions on spurious buying of fish with a potential for an easy get-out clause when things get too much or too big (not saying that this is the case in this specific thread.....and why I would think that a general discussion on the subject would be better).

It may be that shop policy (I'm talking in general and not just one shop) quoted may be the more polite way of putting things.
Also within any shop, there will be different staff members and each may have differing authority to make a decision on-the-spot.

This also ties in with discussions hear on monster fish: some shops may say they don't sell what they won't take back (in the case of monster fish); I'm sure not all would offer such a guarantee.

ian

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06 May 2013 10:58 #11 by bmcg38 (Brian McGrath)

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in my opinion if you have spent a lot of money in a place then you should expect good comeback and service after the sale , no matter what you are buying ..

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06 May 2013 12:45 #12 by ck1 (chris)

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bmcg38 wrote:
in my opinion if you have spent a lot of money in a place then you should expect good comeback and service after the sale , no matter what you are buying ..

I dont agree thats like saying if you brought cloths wore them for 12months and expect the shop to take them back,maye seahorse were fully stocked and had no room od qt tank for them

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06 May 2013 14:56 #13 by davey_c (dave clarke)

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ck1 wrote:

bmcg38 wrote:
in my opinion if you have spent a lot of money in a place then you should expect good comeback and service after the sale , no matter what you are buying ..
I dont agree thats like saying if you brought cloths wore them for 12months and expect the shop to take them back,maye seahorse were fully stocked and had no room od qt tank for them

That is not quite the same thing at all, I don't see the comparison between used clothes and fish that are potentially worth more now than when 1st bought!! They are known for not taking back fish in these circumstances but are quite happy to entertain you when you 1st bought them but thats alot of shops for ye!!
Personally I don't shop there too often and don't like their policy on fish returns but have to keep telling myself thats just business!!

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06 May 2013 15:08 #14 by Acara (Dave Walters)

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I fail to see how anyone can have a problem with a shop because they won't take back products sold to a customer, simply because the customer changed their mind. That's just daft.

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06 May 2013 15:54 #15 by bmcg38 (Brian McGrath)

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let the debate rage !!

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06 May 2013 18:40 #16 by newbejkjimk (damien kelly)

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Hi,
My 2 cent worth is that it makes perfect sense for a fish shop to have a no return policy
1)I can imagine the quality and condition of fish varies greatly so a simple across the board no return policy saves insulting anyone's fish keeping skills
2)As mentioned before the space issues.
3) I can also imagine someone constantly changing their mind and trying to haggle on both the purchas and sale of fish could lead to hard feelings and what most people forget is that with rates, rent and staff the mark up on fish stock has to be quiet high so it would not make any sense to be trading in stock you have already sold and then buy it back at a higher price(to save hard feelings)than the shop could buy it wholesale.
jim

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06 May 2013 19:08 #17 by igmillichip (ian millichip)

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I didn't want to get into a specific shop discussion, but I do know that a number of fish in the shop are bring-backs (or brought in by customers at least).
So somewhere along the line, it has accepted fish back.

Some shops may take-in certain species but clearly state what they will not take in.

I don't trade in fish, but if I did then I would probably have a policy of accepting back awkward fish (in view of I would see that if I cared to sell them, then I would care about their future especially if being on the dodgy edge of normal fish-keeping) but possibly not be so willing to just accept at a drop of hat bread-and-butter fish, or fish that are not on the edge of fish-keeping normality but are nonetheless cautious species.

Maybe just as well I don't trade in fish.

ian

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06 May 2013 19:28 #18 by cichliddave (dave coughlan)

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I believe s.a shud have given u sometin,discus pellets r something,especialy thay u bought the tank a spent ur hard earned money tjere,tankfuly m lfs take my malawis when they get too big a give me some cr for tbem,wot theese places shud remember without the keepers they wudnt be in business,if it wer me id find a fish store with a diff att to their customers

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06 May 2013 19:51 #19 by sheag35 (Seamus Gillespie)

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cichliddave wrote:
I believe s.a shud have given u sometin,discus pellets r something,especialy thay u bought the tank a spent ur hard earned money tjere,tankfuly m lfs take my malawis when they get too big a give me some cr for tbem,wot theese places shud remember without the keepers they wudnt be in business,if it wer me id find a fish store with a diff att to their customers

I wouldn't be so harsh as that cichliddave, in fairness to lfs's some will take back fish they can easily re-home, but some of the fish in the list of the original poster to be re-homed wouldn't have a huge following due to tank requirements and aggression so many lfs refuse on that basis... considering it could be months before someone would be looking for x species of fish, it would mean they have tank space taken up for x length of time and they would be losing money on that tank space while they were waiting to re-home it themselves... they have wages, rent etc to pay so if a fish keeper buys a fish and after a while keeping it they decide they want to go down a different route well then its up to them to re-home the fish not the place they bought it from, you don't see dog owners after buying a dog and keeping it for a while deciding to change species and then expect the breeder they bought it from to take it back, its the same thing with fish... now if it was a case of you bought it and then returned the fish within a few days as it wasn't compatible with your existing tank inhabitants then most lfs's will take it back but after a few weeks / months or years well that's expecting a bit much in my opinion

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06 May 2013 21:02 #20 by newbejkjimk (damien kelly)

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+1 Shea i agree wholeheartedly with your points and what people must remember that from what i hear the hobby has far more choice in recent years and the stock and dry goods are better value due to competition and with competition comes better business and not the monopoly and poor choice there once was.
jim

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06 May 2013 21:25 #21 by k.galvin (Kieran Galvin)

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I also agree with sheag, and to be fair Noeleire has moved on most of his list in just 5 days, so I can't really see why there is a fuss being made, as for the remaining fish...the JD's would probably have to go into a tank of their own as they couldn't be just popped into any Cichlid, tank there would be war and it would be unfair to the fish.
The snakehead can also be very aggresive, I saw one a friend of mine bought years ago, totally annihilate a pair of Salvini within hours of being put in the tank.
The Tilapia is another that could not be put into any old community, so you can see the point of the LFS not taking them as they could take ages to move on.
Rather than rubbish the LFS, I would be thinking how great to be able to move fish on to people who know what they are doing on here, rather than a member of Joe public thinking that a pair of JD's would be fine in a 20 litre.
Just my 2 bobs worth (showing my age now haha

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06 May 2013 21:31 #22 by newbejkjimk (damien kelly)

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TBH i think its about the topic now not the people or any shop.
jim

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06 May 2013 22:09 #23 by igmillichip (ian millichip)

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newbejkjimk wrote:
TBH i think its about the topic now not the people or any shop.
jim

That is what I think.....and I do think it is a valid discussion (as opposed to talking about specific people)

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07 May 2013 00:13 #24 by murph (Tony Murphy)

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Puppies: Christmas.

Paddys day, boredom. :-(

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Ponies: Easter.

Summer holidays? :-(

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07 May 2013 09:11 #25 by ipcompto (Ian Compton)

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Hi guys just saw this post its AV's policy that we will take back any livestock we sell...as long as it is in perfect condition....so if you catfish grows 20lbs then thats cool with me.....it has always been our policy!

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IAn

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07 May 2013 09:36 #26 by bmcg38 (Brian McGrath)

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Ian has the correct policy in my opinion . I mean if the stock is in good condition , you know the person returing the fish , that person has spent a lot of money with you then you should do something to help the person ..

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08 May 2013 00:21 #27 by belueberry (E I)

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sheag35 wrote:
you don't see dog owners after buying a dog and keeping it for a while deciding to change species and then expect the breeder they bought it from to take it back

Actually this is an area with which I am very familiar. Reputable dog breeders will actually REQUIRE the dog be brought back to them first as part of their sale contract rather than be re-sold to who knows where or what conditions. Puppy farmers and Average Joe who had a litter using the male dog down the road at stud because it was the nearest un-neutered male of the same breed......not so much. If the breeder won't take back a puppy they have bred later on in its life they're not a breeder to be recommended. Remember Barack Obama's Portuguese Water Dog named "Bo"? He was brought back to his breeder after 6 months because it didn't work out in his first home. The breeder then re-homed him to the Obamas. This is typical.

Bit off topic but I had to point it out. Shame the shop in question couldn't come to an agreement with the OP, as it seems a reasonable thing to do in this situation.

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