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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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26 Nov 2013 17:55 - 26 Nov 2013 17:56 #1 by Jasonb (Jason Browne)
Hi there,

I may have another fish issue. One of my Corys doesn't look great today, some kind of white cloudy patches on its skin, and its top fin doesn't look great:













As can be seen from the last pic, I've put him in a jug and added a little food.

Any advice? Should I keep him separate? Is this nothing to worry about?

Thanks...

J.
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26 Nov 2013 21:00 #2 by anglecichlid (ciaran hogan)
It's hard to say exactly from the pictures
But is it possible he got caught under something?

Anyone with a aquarium can keep fish,
But it takes real skill to be a fish keeper,


And it's spongeBob,
SpongeBob lives in a pineapple under the sea
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26 Nov 2013 23:55 #3 by platty252 (Darren Dalton)
Hi Jason. I'm afraid this is the same thing your rummys have. Best to put it to sleep.
Any other fish you see with this remove them.

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27 Nov 2013 08:15 #4 by Homer (Kevin)
Replied by Homer (Kevin) on topic Another sick Fish?
Hi Jason,

I am with Darren on this one, I know you feel terrible but look at it this way, you have learned a valuable lesson, that is, never add new Fish without quarentining them first, you only need a small container with filtration, heat and quiet, my firm belief where Neon tetra disease is concerned is that they have this on a continuous basis and stress of the transportation, be it the general rattling around or the drop in temperature or even the large number of Fish in plastic Bags where spikes in Ammonia due to the Fish swimming in their own waste all leads to untold levels of stress causing the Fish's Immune system to weaken and allowing latent Diseases to take hold, once this happens in the case of NTD, it is rampant and will clear a Tank full of Fish within a Week.

Soldier on Jason, you aren't the only one to suffer this.

When purchasing Fish, look out for a loner in the Tank, one that is isolated, not swimming with the rest, paleness arount the Pectoral fin, especially looking like a "Saddle" white, discoloured areas that should normally be shining or bright etc.

Don't waste your time on Meds as Darren says, money down the Drain.

H.

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It's NOT "Chee lick", NOT "Chee Chee Licks"!!! Cichlids is pronounced as "Sick Lids"!!!!!

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27 Nov 2013 09:57 #5 by Jasonb (Jason Browne)
Like I said in the Rummynose Thread, thanks for your replies and advice.

Sorry, it's awkward having two threads on this now, as I thought they were two different issues. Would a Mod be able to merge these two threads together?

Thanks...

J.

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04 Dec 2013 20:39 #6 by Jasonb (Jason Browne)
I might as well continue with this thread as it's about this particular fish!

I'm looking for advice about what to do with him. He's been in his own tank for a week now, and he got a treatment of eSHa 2000 for 5 days. They 'grey' patches on his skin look a little smaller, but they're still there:











I know the pics aren't the best, sorry. The grey patch can be seen in front of his dorsal fin.

He's still alive, which is surprising, and sometimes relaxes, sometimes swims around in his tank, and he's eaten some food as well. But I don't want to put him back into the main tank until I know he's ok (especially as everyone in the main tank seem to be fine!).

Any suggestions? Thanks...

J.
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05 Dec 2013 22:50 #7 by amp2000 (amp2000)
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He's still alive, which is surprising, and sometimes relaxes, sometimes swims around in his tank, and he's eaten some food as well. But I don't want to put him back into the main tank until I know he's ok (especially as everyone in the main tank seem to be fine!).

Any suggestions? Thanks...

J.

I'd put the poor little thing out of it's misery & move on, you done what you could.
Your only alternative from my very limited knowledge is putting him back in the main tank & run the possibility of killing more.

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05 Dec 2013 23:15 #8 by Jasonb (Jason Browne)
Thanks for your reply...

Yep, that's really what it comes down to, isn't it? Either put him back in the main tank, or kill him. I'd hate to put him back in the main tank and possibly cause problems to others, and I'd hate to kill him when maybe he'd be ok.

For the moment I've bought myself more time by doing a 50% WC in his tank (just to freshen it up, the filter seems to be handling what little he needs) and starting a new 3 day course of eSHa 2000 (it's ok to do a second course after a few days). That basically lets me put off the decision until the end of the weekend.

Anyone else got an opinion on this? Thanks...

J.

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06 Dec 2013 01:24 #9 by platty252 (Darren Dalton)
Yes Jason you can treat again with Esha 2000.
I wouldn't put him back unless the patches clear.
Give him another week to see how he gets on.

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06 Dec 2013 14:07 #10 by Jasonb (Jason Browne)
Thanks Darren, I was thinking to myself that I'd give it another week. If it hasn't cleared up after that I'll have to kill him I'm afraid.

Thanks...

J.

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06 Dec 2013 20:31 #11 by Miamiheat (Stephane Lemaire)
Leave him alone in his tank as long as he needs and as long as he eats. If he stop feeding than i think he is done. Now about mixing him with other ones I am very new to this but I have a white balloon mollie just like this one www.teowayyong.net/Media/fishcatalog/Mol...er_Balloon_Molly.jpg
10 days ago we discover a huge patch of cottony growth near the dorsal fin as well. It stayed in the tank with others. I put some melafix for 3-4 days and i ran out. The fish looked so bad after 3 days most people would have killed it. Its right eye became affected it looked blind from one side. BUT, although it did stay apart from others, near the heater, it came to feed every time. So i fed the whole tank frozen brine shrimp and some live bloodworms and increased variety and quality of foods. We also put a few spoons of salt inside the tank as we read its good. Bottom line. Fish is alive and well, the full patch of cotton disappeared along with a chunk of meat from the fish, but it seems the skin or scaled have healed (there is a bit of a hollow area) and today the right eye is crystal clear. And the fish is happy. So there are happy endings...

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09 Dec 2013 09:59 #12 by Jasonb (Jason Browne)
Thanks for your post Miamaheat...

Believe me, I don't want to kill him, but I'm not certain if being in the hospital tank is doing him any good. Most of the time he just sits on the bottom of the tank, he doesn't really swim much (not that I've seen anyhow - sometimes when I come into the room he's in a different location) and doesn't nose around in the gravel. I've fed him a little and while I do think he has eaten some, it's once again not obvious at all. If I saw him behaving this way in the main tank I'd be worried about him, you know? But I don't know how much of it is due to stress of being on his own.

Anyhow, I'm doing the second course of eSHa 2000 and I'll see how he is this weekend.

Thanks...

J.

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11 Dec 2013 15:19 #13 by Jasonb (Jason Browne)
Me again...

I'm very close to admitting defeat I have to say. Finny is still not swimming around, isn't nosing around in the gravel and isn't eating. And after two course of eSHa 2000 he still has those 'cloudly' sections on his skin.

Just a quick question, if I do have to kill him, how long should I wait before I put the gravel and small filter into my main tank? In other words, is there a chance I could be transferring whatever he has back into the tank?

I want to move the small filter in to the main tank to keep it 'cycled' in case I need the QT again, and the gravel I want to move back just because it came from there in the first place...

Thanks...

J.

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11 Dec 2013 17:37 #14 by paulv (paul vickers)
Jason as your fish came from the main tank to start with, what ever the fish had is already in the main tank and as your other fish are all ok, they most likely have resistance to the organism involved. Dont return the sick cory or the water in the filter or the gravel just the filter.

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11 Dec 2013 22:15 #15 by Jasonb (Jason Browne)
Thanks for your reply Paul. You're right, there's no point putting a little bit of gravel back in when it could just be reintroducing a problem. Can I put the small filter into the main tank immediately, or should I leave it a while first? If I empty it of water, should I also give the filter / sponge a clean?

Unfortunately I finally had to euthanase Finny tonight. After two weeks of trying he was still very lethargic, not eating, not doing a lot really, and I had a good look at him tonight and saw that the 'cloudly' patches on him had actually got worse. As horrible as it was, deliberately killing an animal, I was thankful that I had got some Clove Oil after losing two of the Rummynoses, so at least I could do it in a way that seemed, to me at least, to be fairly gentle.

Thanks for all your support and advice on this thread...

J.

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12 Dec 2013 08:33 #16 by paulv (paul vickers)
To be honest im surprised after 2 weeks of recovering the cory did not fully recover. From my experience a sick fish either dies or recovers within a week. Id clean the filter sponge in the quarantine tank water then put it in the main tank to keep the bio filter alive until you need the quarantine tank again.

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13 Dec 2013 00:12 #17 by platty252 (Darren Dalton)
Jason I wouldn't temp faith by putting anything from the quarantine tank in to the main tank.
I would clean out the filter then let it completely dry before putting it in to the main tank.

If you need the filter in a hurry just take some of the media from the main tank, put in in to the small filter and it is good to go.

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13 Dec 2013 12:57 #18 by Jasonb (Jason Browne)
Hmmm... I already put the small filter into the main tank last night. I removed the sponge from it and gave it a clean in the Quarantine Tank water before adding it to the main tank. Should I remove it now tonight when I get home, or is it too late now, and if something is going to go wrong, it'll go wrong now whether I remove the filter or not?

Thanks...

J.

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13 Dec 2013 14:45 #19 by platty252 (Darren Dalton)
If it's already in then just leave it there.

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13 Dec 2013 15:02 #20 by Jasonb (Jason Browne)
Thanks Darren... I guess if any damage has been done, then it's done, removing it now won't make any difference. Hopefully it'll all be ok.

Thanks...

J.

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13 Dec 2013 17:18 #21 by Jasonb (Jason Browne)
Wow... So I came home this evening to another dead Rummynose. Or almost dead as I found out...

I have no idea if this is from adding the mini-filter or not. I noticed this evening that I could only see 8 Tetras. After a long search I evenutally found one stuck in the stems of one of my Crypto plants. It was stuck pretty well in, right at the level of the Substrate where the stems are very close together. When I got it out I realised it was still just about alive, but floating upside down and unable to swim. I can't see any marks on it at all.

So, right now I once again have the Clove Oil out, but I just don't know if it's the filter that has caused this, or did the fish just get caught in the stems? It was pretty well wedged in there, it's hard to imagine it got there just floating around after getting sick. But surely the fish would avoid the stems, and if it did get stuck, would that be enough of a reason for it to be this bad now?

Would appreciate any advice on this, it's disconcerting losing fish like this...

J.

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13 Dec 2013 18:50 #22 by Homer (Kevin)
Replied by Homer (Kevin) on topic Another sick Fish?
Ok Jason, all weapons out! If you are anywhere near me over the weekend, I will give you some Anti Bacterial medication, give me a pm if this is of interest to you, it is not available here.

H.

The Glass is always greener on the other side.


It's NOT "Chee lick", NOT "Chee Chee Licks"!!! Cichlids is pronounced as "Sick Lids"!!!!!

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13 Dec 2013 19:07 #23 by Homer (Kevin)
Replied by Homer (Kevin) on topic Another sick Fish?
Ok Jason, all weapons out! If you are anywhere near me over the weekend, I will give you some Anti Bacterial medication, give me a pm if this is of interest to you, it is not available here.

H.

The Glass is always greener on the other side.


It's NOT "Chee lick", NOT "Chee Chee Licks"!!! Cichlids is pronounced as "Sick Lids"!!!!!

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13 Dec 2013 20:16 #24 by paulv (paul vickers)
Jeees jason you must be the most unlucky fishkeeper alive. I was thinking as the fish in your main tank are all fine the last 2 weeks that the esha 2000 treatment worked. I hope I did not give you bad advise. Hopefully homer heavy guns will sort out your problem.

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13 Dec 2013 22:05 #25 by Jasonb (Jason Browne)
I must admit, I haven't had a lot of luck so far in this hobby, that's 4 fish lost in a month, and it's only my first month!

Don't worry Paul, I don't think your advice put me wrong. Like you said, the ones in the main tank had been fine for a couple of weeks. It's hard to know if adding the small filter into the main tank caused this issue for sure, though it might be a bit too much of a coincidence.

I won't be up in Dublin for a while Homer I'm afraid, but I do appreciate your offer. It might be naive of me, but my current plan is to just leave them alone in the tank (keeping an eye on them of course!) and see what happens. Of course, if more start to die, that's a whole other issue, but I'd rather not put more chemicals into the equation unless absolutely necessary.

I'll do my usual 33% Water Change tomorrow (the chemistry of the water has been fine, 0 Ammonia, 0 Nitrites, 5 Nitrates) and keep a good eye on the fish to look out for any signs of trouble...

I tell you one thing, the next fish I get will live in a Quarantine Tank for a while before they get near my main tank!

J.

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