Dead Rams

Ok i got 3 rams on wed evening and 2 corys, now they are all dead. I watched my tank very care fully after the first ram died tested the water all was fine no change i put at down to bad luck. then on thur nite another ram dead and a cory missing, started to get abit worried still no change in w/c and all other fish doin fine, when i didnt see the cory on friday i knew he was dead but how.......?

Then i noticed another ram looking bad, started to think why this is coz my other fish were fine i have around 30 other fish in the tank ( 180L ) then last night he died along with the other cory.........

WTF IS HAPPENING ALL............?

Water results

PH 7.2- 7.5 its has always been like this

GH 160

KH 180

No2 0

No3 10 ppm

Ammonia 0

These have never really changed on me since i set the tank up 3 months ago.

So went back to my lsf today and told the boss what happened he asked about w/c i told the above readings he said they were fine.... he said the my ammonia levels were low...........? i thought havin the level around 0 was a good thing.....? i said the fish were not attacked or eatin and that all other fish are fine.

I have 3 other rams in my tank, they all got on fine no problems when they were all together, its the fish i got from this shop that have all died, they didnt even offer to replace the fish.........?

So what can i do now....? There is something up if the fish i got from this place are the only ones that have died and not my other ones.

Alan

your ammonia should always be 0. Sounds like a really poor LFS really poor to have a guy not even know that. If its a good LFS and they pulled that crap i'd be ashamed. I'd get a new test kit, those test kits go off after about 6 months. salifert are awesome. actually I have a new ammonia and nitrite test kit by salifert that i don't use and you are welcome to them. I used 1-2 tests out of each when i lost a fish and didn't know why. turned out that he starved. PM me with the name of the shop, I'd love to know. If the fish store has ammonia in its water then the gills of any fish you buy from there will be burned and they wont live... simple as that most likely but i'd still retest your water with another kit.

I no its a load of fuck*n sh*t i lost the head after that then he said well bring me in ur water ill be able to tell you more from the results then you would know........ they use a master kets kit the same as i have....... I no the manager of there other shop and he is nice think he kinda runs both of them im gonna go to him and see what he says.

Fu*kin dickhe*d in the shop today he hasnt a fuck*n clue on fish at all but thats the problem with local pet shop i guess, its not like i spent 10 euro on fish i spent 30euro on 3 rams and 2 corys but still didnt even offer to replace them w*anker

Sorry so many * all over the place just piss*d off no need for them to act like they have, i have spend a good bit of money with them over the last 6 months and this is how they go on.

Was over in fintastic aquariums yesterday really nice people workin there, and were very helpfully with all questions i had and had a really nice fish gave me a good deal on fire tetras too.

Alan

Hi Paul,

Thanks for the offer but mines is only 6 weeks old.

Alan

Just wondering can i ask for the fish to be replaced or get a refund coz of this.

Alan

Happened to me as wel with the GBR's both died within days of each other and caused havock in my tank wich killed a load of other fish.
It is one petshop I won't be going back to in a hurry.

Sorry to hear about your losses, I am curious was it the same petshop you got them from, because I know you go there some times.
Can you send me a pm to say where you got them?

yeah thats it

Your parameters are near perfect. I would suggest one thing. Quarantine new fish for 2-3 weeks in a 20-30 litre tank for small to medium community fish. Use an internal filter with filter pads from your established tank. There's no way I'd introduce new fish to an established tank. I learned the hard way

I no thats what i not get....? and the bloke in the shop was trying to say they were not.....fool.

I had to pull my tank apart to get the dead fish out:angry:

He even said my PH was high.....? i looked at him and said sure urs would be around 7 and i got a blank look back.

Its not gonna stop me from getting them lovely fish, just gonna use the sponsors on the site from now on

Never had a Q tank before never had problems with fish dying so soon.

Alan

Alan,
Sorry to hear about the fish, sounds like the fish were doomed from the word off if they all died from the same shop. I understand your frustration with the shop,they dont deserve your custom if they are behaving like that. I would say not to give up on the Rams though, get some from the sponsors online here and follow Teds advise. Quarantine the Rams first. You said you have a smaller 54litre tank that you were going to use for the Rams if they breed,well use it as your quarantine tank initially now I would suggest. If the readings are all fine on your existing 180litre then just use some of that water for the 54litre and use some sponge media from the existing tank to seed the tank.

It can be so annoying to get messed around by a bad shop, I think everyone has been there at some stage. When buying Rams in future check there stomach, if they have a sunken / caved in look to them, then stay clear of them as the Fish normally wont last long if they appear in that state.

Gavin

mrs fishpatrick wrote:

Happened to me as wel with the GBR's both died within days of each other and caused havock in my tank wich killed a load of other fish.
It is one petshop I won't be going back to in a hurry.

Sorry to hear about your losses, I am curious was it the same petshop you got them from, because I know you go there some times.
Can you send me a pm to say where you got them?

Did the rams dying coz other fish to die in ur tank.........? and how coz i have had 2 this morning.

Alan

Are you still losing fish?
If there is nothing visibly wrong with them before the die then it could be a bacteria that's effecting them internally. Did they show any strange behaviour?.
I'm a big fan of the eSHa 2000 treatment. Whenever I introduce new fish to my tank I at least give it a 'day 3' level dose. I also don't have a quarantine tank and I've had similar trouble before. I introuduced about 9 guppys into a community I was just starting with 13 neon tetras and 6 guppys in residence and I was left with just 2 guppies and 6 tetras at the end of it. I was disgusted but the LFS did offer to replace them which I refused. I wasn't looking for more fish, I was just looking for help on what happened.
I'm amazed that the LFS has been so crappy to you. I figure they know you're face by now if you've been there so often. Let them know you won't be coming back because of their response.

alkiely wrote:

mrs fishpatrick wrote:

Happened to me as wel with the GBR's both died within days of each other and caused havock in my tank wich killed a load of other fish.
It is one petshop I won't be going back to in a hurry.

Sorry to hear about your losses, I am curious was it the same petshop you got them from, because I know you go there some times.
Can you send me a pm to say where you got them?

Did the rams dying coz other fish to die in ur tank.........? and how coz i have had 2 this morning.

Alan

Yes it was because of the rams , shortly after I started loosing my kribensis fry and an adult, all the other breeds were grand (barbs. cories etc)
I treated for heximata (esha treatment) and that sorted it out (thanks to Drew in AV)
Hope this helps

I lost a bala ( looked like an internal problem red spot on his belly ), my dwarf gourami didnt notice anything on him, but the last ram had the same red spot on his belly.

But on a better note i was talking to the lad how runs the fish section today he is only there part time and he had said that some of the rams were abit bad, and the the golds were bad he replaced the 3 blue rams with bolivian rams they got yesterday and my cory with albino tetras he gave me 8 of them and said sorry for the way i was treated and that itr shouldnt of happened.

It was nice to see them say sorry and i got a few fish extra out of it so not to bad, happy enough.

As for using a treatment i havnt got any esha 2000 went to get some a while back but hadnt got it over in blanch they only had a "big bottle" and was paying the price they wanted for it is there any smaller bottles and how much......?

Gavin put the last ram in the 54l and he only lasted 5hrs poor thing wasnt lookin good, they looked fine when i got them but he did say they were only delivered and in the tank a few hrs so if they did have something wrong prob wouldnt of showed till they got settled and colours came up which is prob what happen to me.

Alan

I'm not sure what size the bottle is but its on This Page about half way down. I paid €12.50 in the lfs I think.

I'm glad to hear your lfs apologised about how you were treated. The other guy obviously didn't know his dorsal from his caudal (I make myslef sick )