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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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27 Aug 2009 19:39 #1 by gerryberry (Jeff Daly)
Getting a fluval edge tomorrow ( i know some people hate them but each to his own ).
Thinking of getting a betta for it but is the tank suitable for such a fish, i am thinking of the small opening in the top of the tank??

What fish are suitabe to mix with a betta, thinking tetra or guppies???

Anyone tell me what plants would be suitable for such a small tank, never used real plants in a tank before so a real novice, i don,t plan to use Co2 or specail lighting so plants must be pretty rebust.


Thanks

GB

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27 Aug 2009 20:01 - 27 Aug 2009 20:03 #2 by SpookyMuffin (Debbie Behan)
I assume that you're thinking of getting a male betta? Tetras aren't usually a good idea with bettas as they often nip at the male's fins.
Bettas can be aggressive to male guppies because they have long brightly coloured fins that can lead to the betta mistaking them for rival males.
I've had success keeping White Cloud Mountain Minnows with bettas but it does mean that you have to reach a compromise with temperature since WCMMs are coldwater and bettas are tropical.

Female bettas do better in a community environment and you can keep multiple females together.

As for the tank, I've never seen one before but you have to make sure that the betta can reach the surface to breath.

Good plants for a small, low-tech tank are probably Anubias Nana or Java Fern.
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27 Aug 2009 20:08 #3 by Acara (Dave Walters)
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Agree with spooky,but also want to add that bettas are labyrinth fish,therefore breathing air in from the water surface.I cant remember what the opening at the surface is like on these tanks,but it aint big,and I would not put a betta in one.

always on the lookout for interesting corys.pm me if you know off any!

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27 Aug 2009 20:20 #4 by sheag35 (Seamus Gillespie)
if you go for betta's make sure to have the water well below the tank top otherwise they will drown as the guys said above they are labyrinth fish so need access to air to survive

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27 Aug 2009 20:26 #5 by Acara (Dave Walters)
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Thats one way of getting around that potential problem(remember,I dont know what the opening is like on the edge),however,it takes away from the intent of that tank and would look bad.

always on the lookout for interesting corys.pm me if you know off any!

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27 Aug 2009 22:03 #6 by gerryberry (Jeff Daly)
Thanks all for the response, was half thinking i would have problems with the opening in relation to the betta.Back on with the thinking cap:dry: :dry:

Anyone suggest any other eye catching fish.

GB

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27 Aug 2009 22:23 #7 by JohnH (John)
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The Betta has been pretty well covered now but I was thinking - just in case you might have been thinking of any other Anabantid fish that unless you were to defeat the object of the aesthetic appeal of the tank - as suggested - by keeping the level a little below the top any of these would be out too. This would include other Bettas, Paradise Fish,Gouramis and the like.
But I wanted to add that any surface-breathing Catfish (all the Corydoras for starters) wouldn't be able to be kept either. Unless these can get to the surface they will die too.
I learned this lesson the hard way many years ago.
As to the suitable plants, any of the 'low light' plants should do pretty well - the Anubias already suggested should thrive and the small tank size will have to be a consideration. You might try Cryptocorines, mostly very hardy, they will thrive in lower light levels too and once established are hardy too. The only drawback is that in the main, under those conditions they can be slow-growing (which, in a smaller tank might just be a bit of a blessing).

Alternative options for fish? You might want to consider a shoal of a smaller species of fish, I like the (what used to be called) Microrasbora Galaxy, I think these are now called Celestial Pearl Danios. I think another good idea might be to have a small shoal of Tiger Barbs (the original striped variety, not the manufactured awful abominations so often seen nowadays). I would add that my preference would be for this to be a 'species' tank so they wouldn't get the opportunity to harass any other species...or you might consider other small Barb species instead.
But, this is your tank and there's me saying what I would keep in a small tank, ignore me - I'll go away!!!

John

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28 Aug 2009 07:55 #8 by 2poc (2poc)
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In my opinion you can never go wrong with cardinal tetras.
Stunning fish, if I had the water conditions for them I would buy a few hundred.

How are the cichlids working out Jeff?

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28 Aug 2009 16:49 #9 by gerryberry (Jeff Daly)
But, this is your tank and there's me saying what I would keep in a small tank, ignore me - I'll go away!!!


John feel free tell to me what you would put in the tank, looking for some ideas:)Thank you for you informative response just what i was after but it raises more questions:huh: :huh:
When i set-up my mbuna tank it was a decision between the cichlids or a mixed barb setup,tiger, rosy, green etc. have to say it was a tough choice but the mbuna won out.
Would you think a few barbs would be ok in this size tank???

Would i need any specail substrate for the plants you mentioned, was planning to use sand on the base but would this be sufficent for the plants to grow??


Patrick
Fish doing great in the tank, all settled very well with no fighting, well no big fights just the usually carry on with cichlids, thanks again for the fish
I see with other threads you are going further into marines, have to say i am jealous, make sure you post a few pics along the way and best of luck with it.

Hows that stunning puffer doing these days???


GB

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28 Aug 2009 18:02 - 28 Aug 2009 18:05 #10 by JohnH (John)
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Gerry,
I would suspect your 'Edge' will be a bit limiting to the amount of Barbs you could stock it with - which is why I was suggesting a 'species' tank.
Tiger Barbs, in their different guises will grow to over 2-1/2" and Rosy Barbs are claimed to have a maximum size of 6"!!! - I, for one, never saw a 6" Rosy Barb so perhaps the countless generations of far-east bred Barbs has seen them stunted! - I once had a pair where the female was well over 3", but that was SO long ago it seems like a different lifetime.

All this is adding up to my opinion that a mixed Barb community tank might best be saved for a time when you can get another tank. Unless...you might consider some of the smaller Barbs such as Cherry and Chequer Barbs, the Striped Barb (Lineatus) could be another contender as they are pretty well-behaved too.

Many of the Barbs come from fast-flowing highly oxygenated water so their oxygen requirement would be greater too - you could possibly count the Tigers (in their different 'bred' forms) but most certainly the Rosy Barbs would and so the general stocking guidelines would have to be 'stretched'.

Gravel or Sand? I see you have decided on Sand, a very popular choice nowadays. I think, although I wouldn't be the greatest authority on Plant growing (pretty good at killing them off though), that if you were to get some of those plant tabs (I used to like the 'Hobby' ones, but haven't seen them over here anywhere) and put at least one under the root of each plant, that should be enough to get some nutrition to the plants until the sand gets to the stage where it can fully sustain the plant growth.
But perhaps someone better versed with plant growing knowledge can give better advice here.

Good luck with the tank, whatever choice you end up making.

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28 Aug 2009 18:16 #11 by gerryberry (Jeff Daly)
John thanks again , have a bit of thinking to do but in no rush, can setup and cycle my tank as i decide what to put in it. Must have a think about the plants and sand, decisions decisions:blink: :blink: :blink:

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29 Aug 2009 11:51 #12 by 2poc (2poc)
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gerryberry wrote:

But, this is your tank and there's me saying what I would keep in a small tank, ignore me - I'll go away!!!


John feel free tell to me what you would put in the tank, looking for some ideas:)Thank you for you informative response just what i was after but it raises more questions:huh: :huh:
When i set-up my mbuna tank it was a decision between the cichlids or a mixed barb setup,tiger, rosy, green etc. have to say it was a tough choice but the mbuna won out.
Would you think a few barbs would be ok in this size tank???

Would i need any specail substrate for the plants you mentioned, was planning to use sand on the base but would this be sufficent for the plants to grow??


Patrick
Fish doing great in the tank, all settled very well with no fighting, well no big fights just the usually carry on with cichlids, thanks again for the fish
I see with other threads you are going further into marines, have to say i am jealous, make sure you post a few pics along the way and best of luck with it.

Hows that stunning puffer doing these days???


GB


Good to hear all is well, puffer is doing great looking like she's going to lay eggs again..
Interested to see how you get on with the edge tank, lots of nice small fish available. You could even go down the shelldweller route.

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