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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

WHAT RECESSION????????????

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11 Feb 2010 20:53 - 11 Feb 2010 21:22 #1 by padraigr (Padraig Rooney)
Hi all was up in a shop in Ballymun today & saw a beautiful OB Peacock cichlid which I watched for about 10 minutes before deciding to buy. Imagine my surprise to discover that when bagged it was priced at €35, the last time I bought one it was €25 do they not realise we're in recession. I have loyally supported this shop since it opened a couple of years ago, unfortunately that seems to count for nothing. Sorry but you have just lost a loyal customer. Any other members have similar experiences?:( :( :( :( :( :( :(


Rules state..."If you wish to post about a specific retailer, do not mention their name and only refer to the retailer in the 3rd party".


Post amended accordingly.
Last edit: 11 Feb 2010 21:22 by JohnH (John). Reason: Removed shop name

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11 Feb 2010 21:17 - 11 Feb 2010 21:32 #2 by Ma (mm mm)
Yep was at Northwood Santry meself this week, was looking at the same chap you got, €35 no way, rummynose tetra €4.50????? not even 2"

Prices have nearly doubled for a few I say and all prices were up.

Rediculous. Won't be stopping there till prices drop. Thing is, I would have spent maybe €70 €80 as I usually do, but hey, if they don't want my cash there are many many other places and people with much cheaper healthier cleaner fish&tanks.

Dead fish being eated too, who wants fish that have fed off possibly diseased fish. Was not quiet in store about it either.

Mark

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11 Feb 2010 22:03 #3 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
I bought Hikari tablets last year for 3.20 and they are up to 4.50 now also. Some joke....it was from a shop that is in Cork and Dublin! Its madness alright,no wonder people are leaving the hobby when prices are increasing. Still if you find a good shop they will take care of you,at least Ive found that anyhow.
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11 Feb 2010 22:44 #4 by Ma (mm mm)
I understand everyone's gotta make a €. operational costs go up but this is not the case here. Some internal strife and possibly a little greed as at the end of the day someone in the store looks at the bottom line only, it is this short sighted slap up all prices approach to business that costs the store in the long run.

I was there with a few customers around me, mothers with kids n the like, with noone to assist them in any way regarding the purchasing of their fish. They've a few tanks, enough to justify a full time person that looks after them as this is not happening currently with one or two people running around trying to do everything, jack of all, master of none scenario. I am not having a pop at staff for the record.




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11 Feb 2010 23:30 #5 by stretnik (stretnik)
Replied by stretnik (stretnik) on topic Re:WHAT RECESSION????????????
I have been there before, if they were Dogs, Cats etc there would be a furore over the conditions but Fish don't seem to warrant protection nor concern re their health, shameful.

Just boycott via word of mouth, end of.

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11 Feb 2010 23:50 #6 by sheag35 (Seamus Gillespie)
sorry to hear that. My LFS is always reasonably priced, fish superb and loyal customers always looked after, thats the way it should be, hell thats why i used drive the 65 miles to Galway from Limerick to buy my stock, hell I've even moved to Galway now, that says it all

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12 Feb 2010 01:47 #7 by JohnH (John)
I agree with you Kev,

Personal boycott is the way to go, but sadly not every Fishkeeper in Ireland is either a Forum member or reader.
There is no way these sorts of people can be stopped from selling Fish - but the economics of not selling any fish week in, week out would soon make them realise something's 'up' and they would be faced with either stopping the sale of fish altogether or having to look into why no-one was buying them!

This, in an ideal world would be the solution to poorly kept and poor quality livestock. But on the issue of price increases - that's a different matter entirely. The solution is rather the same as you have said Padraig - walk away - vote with your feet. Like Seamus says - find a good LFS and stick with it,

I personally am not very fond of these 'Pet Superstores' there is one within a half-hour drive from me (probably a little further, driving at the speed I do now) - the closest outlet to me by far - but I only ever bought fish in there on two occasions, both time in the hope they 'might just' be OK but neither time were they!!! So I'm forced to either go West or East for hours at a time when I want to buy any fish, but I will say that my chosen shops are always worth the time taken to get to! And all are Forum Sponsors too, coincidentally.
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12 Feb 2010 08:50 #8 by stretnik (stretnik)
Replied by stretnik (stretnik) on topic Re:WHAT RECESSION????????????
Agreed!

Kev.

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12 Feb 2010 09:39 #9 by padraigr (Padraig Rooney)
Firstly apologies to the Administrators for naming the shop, at the time I was just so annoyed but reading through the mails that have been posted it would seem that as with all superstores that sell anything they are all completly faceless & put no value on customer loyalty:( :( .

I like all serious fishkeepers value my fish, my tank & the environment I keep them in & don't mind spending money on my passion but within reason.

Any body that remembers the shop on the corner where staff know your name & you know theirs will also remember the service & friendliness that came with those shops:) :) . I know they are few & far between now but some still do exist & as John said the best thing to do is vote with your feet & go & find those little gems. If anybody does know of any of those little gems preferably on the Northside of Dublin please PM me.

Padraigr

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12 Feb 2010 09:53 #10 by sparky (sparky)
I couldn't agree more with what your saying John. I've been to many of the superstores you mention. the problem as i see it is that they are too big, and don't seem to have the ability, or time, to look after and care for the fish.

It's unfortunate that not every fishkeeper is on this site. if they were, I'm sure these LFS would have to change their attitudes pretty fast!

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12 Feb 2010 10:58 #11 by Ma (mm mm)
Agreed. Let the walking do the talking, they'll see the folly of their ways or stop selling fish, either way, good news when it happens.


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12 Feb 2010 11:24 #12 by JohnH (John)
I think it would help if they were in a position to recruit experienced Fish Keepers, sadly most often the people working in the Fish Department are little more than complete novices themselves - sometimes having no interest in Fish at all!

It would be handy for them to at least have a modicum of Fish Keeping knowledge before they start working in the Fish Departments!

A couple of years back I can remember the slating a large Petstore in Dublin was getting and it would have appeared that this was little better than no good at all, but thanks to them getting advice (actually from Clubs and Forum) they turned around completely and I never hear a bad word said against them now.

I can think of another, the Fish department of which is run by a well-known and respected Forum regular, which also has great recommendations for it.

But, to price increases - a different issue entirely. I was in retail myself many years ago and can tell you that not all (notice I'm saying "not all") price increases are outright profiteering. Much of the dry goods for sale here (and the 'wet' stuff too) comes from the UK and if wholesale prices rise then in these troubled times the retail price has to rise as well, and remember - it's pro rata. In other words, if an item's wholesale price rises then so does the VAT and, by a relative amount, the mark-up too.
But, for prices to rise far out of proportion - that sounds like just outright profiteering to me and the shops engaging in this practice should be boycotted.

We are, after all, as Padraig initially said,in a recession still (despite what the politicians are trying to suggest) and money's tight for us consumers too. €10 on a €25 fish sounds like outright liberty-taking to me!!!

John
ps, note to Padraig, I understand your anger and was in no way trying to diminish it. I only amended your post to concur with existing rules.

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12 Feb 2010 12:09 #13 by dubfish (Alan Martin)
The shop in question,were selling fish probably a bit cheap compared to all the others,and now just realised they were under cutting them selves.To rise your prices by 40 or 50% is going to lose all the customers that this franchise shop have built in the past.

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12 Feb 2010 12:37 #14 by 2poc (2poc)
Replied by 2poc (2poc) on topic Re:WHAT RECESSION????????????
Seemingly there is a new manager, just recently hired that is making sweeping changes.

From the sounds of it they have no experience with aquatics but on the positive side it is good to see that the marine tanks have been cleaned up & the dead fish problem sorted out.

The prices are outright crazy & will have to drop if they are to do any business & I'm sure they will.

More than likely the actions of an ambitious manager attempting to impress by making the bottom line look good without realising the consequences.

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12 Feb 2010 18:32 #15 by padraigr (Padraig Rooney)
I hope the new manager that has been brought in does the right thing & realise that increasing prices for short term gain to quickly achieve his ambition is not the way to succeed in business in the longer term.

It would appear that he is not really communicating with his staff too well either as the guy I bought the fish of yesterday was none to happy to convey the news that the prices were going up, it would appear that the general reaction to this increase is not being well received from other customers.:( :( :(

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08 Mar 2010 06:06 - 08 Mar 2010 12:17 #16 by Gerry The Chip (Gerard)
I live in walkin distance of this petshop, i used to buy all my fish there, going there every thursday jus to see wat stock they got in. One day i decided to buy some clown loach and noticed they were 14 euro each, they were only 7 euro the week before! I asked the guy workin there is this a mistake or wats going on? He told me he orders in the fish every week and for the last few months has been sellin all the fish at the wrong price, and the shop wasn't makin any profit so thats why the price of fish hav doubled or tripled. I still go in every week but they dont get a penny off me!
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08 Mar 2010 10:40 #17 by Viperbot (Jason Hughes)
Ive been boycotting that place for a while now. Not only because of their insane prices thanks to their new manager but also because of the appalling conditions the fish are kept in. Your asking for trouble buying fish from places like that. I know the guy who looks after the tanks in there and to be fair, they have slashed his hours and he simply cant keep up. Disaster.

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08 Mar 2010 11:33 #18 by Peter OB (Peter O'Brien)
I haven't stepped foot into this shop in years, purely because of the condition of fish.

I quote from a diffferent forum: "Only a maniac woulds buy their pets there"

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08 Mar 2010 16:31 - 08 Mar 2010 17:55 #19 by Dioza (Adam Bell)
Just about anyone can open a pet shop and sell fish. When i lived in sligo there was a small shop in Carrick on Shannon that i was selling guppies to, i was only 12 and getting 2.50 euro store credit for each male and he was selling them for 5-6 euro each. Needless to say he didn't last long.

A licensing system i think would do wonders, shops apply for a license to keep all animals, not just fish as i have seen rabbits, rodents and birds kept in bad shape too. Apply for a different license depending on the animals your selling. An inspection every 3 months or so to keep things in order. Well, that's how i would do it :unsure:

There always seems to be a discussion about poor LFS and conditions, the average person doesn't see the problems, which i believe is the problem. Just like the average person wouldn't notice poor plastering, but being in the trade i would.

Edit* I may have steered off topic a bit which was originally about pricing.
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08 Mar 2010 19:00 #20 by padraigr (Padraig Rooney)
I am astonished at the reaction that this topic has generated since I brought it up nearly 4 weeks ago, its still rumbling on. The one thing it does show is that there are a lot of people within this forum that are certainly both angry & take offence to both the prices that some of these shops get away with but more importantly the conditions that our fish are being kept in. Lets not forget that if fish are being kept in poorly conditioned tanks then more lightly than not so are the other livestock living in similar conditions.

The one good thing about a recession is that generally speaking quality will win through & all of these so called suppliers who try to take advantage & charge through the nose will ultimately fall on their own sword, the good guys will still be around hopefully when these guys fall!!!!!!!!!!!!!;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

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08 Mar 2010 21:55 #21 by Tetra (Tetra)
When I lived in Florida I went to a few fish shops and you should see the prices there. I seen hermits for 50 cent YES 50 CENT clown fish for $5 etc and a guy I worked with was a member of a local fish club and he said that he could get even cheaper with a discount from the fort myers club I was shocked and funny thing was that he said that alot of shops over there were over charging.My brother once paid E50 for a clown fish aprox $70 I told him and he said we must all be millionares in Ireland. I know that alot of these fish can be native to Florida so they would be cheaper but if these shops can survive at these low prices makes ya think how much can you add on for shipping.

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