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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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24 Apr 2010 19:09 #1 by duzzy1 (Martin Kennedy)
hi guys .... just a quick one for the experts on the forum .

I did my usual weekly tank clean ups today and 20-30 % water changes . Just after doin this in my small tank ( which is usually only used as a quarantine/hospital tank ) i noticed two of my german blue's acting in a strange way .

They hung around in the same corner of the tank for quite a few hours and seemed to be bulldozing a depression into the substrate and also cleaning said hole of any debris ...

I tried to get a quick video of this behaviour . A pologies for the quality as the tank is kept in a dark corner and doesn't have much light in it

While watching i also noticed both male and female defending the corner of the tank from any other fish that happened to swim by .



obviously i'm hoping this is the start of a spawning , but would like to throw it out to the floor for ideas .

Thanx in advance for the input guys

Martin

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24 Apr 2010 19:14 #2 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
Martin the signs are looking good alright for them,out of caution I would leave a light on in the room so that there isnt complete darkness as if they do spawn often other fish will eat the eggs,leaving a lamp on in the room will ensure the fish at least can defend their spawn (The tank light can be turned off as the other fish will behave normal and sleep if it is dark etc... Rams will dig out a hole in the substrate prior to spawning so you are on the right track,they will also defend it nicely when other fish approach. Make sure also you have food for any potential fry if they do spawn and hatch.
Its great to watch when they do this behaviour,best of luck with it. Let us know how it goes.

Gavin

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24 Apr 2010 19:19 #3 by duzzy1 (Martin Kennedy)
cheers gavin .... i never realised till this evening that rams can also be substrate spawners . will keep fingers crossed and will keep the info updated

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24 Apr 2010 19:33 #4 by Xeon (ioan micu)
Does that make's me a grandfather? :))

They are not substrate spawners, they just need a solid surface to lay their eggs. It seems that you got it right very fast, how many days science u got the female?

If they are the ones you got from me they are bullet proof for rams so it's should be easy enought to bring the fry up, as gav said just try to have some food ready. It only took them about two days to swim away and maybe another one to use their yolk sac so if they spawn tonight you only have a short time. They might eat the eggs ans save you the hassle;). They get it right in a couple of tryes.

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24 Apr 2010 19:41 #5 by duzzy1 (Martin Kennedy)
yeah they are the ones i got from you xeon .... its the female i got from you about 2 months ago .... with the male i got last weekend .
gonna hookup the brine shrimp hatcher tonight , just incase

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24 Apr 2010 20:23 #6 by JohnH (John)

gonna hookup the brine shrimp hatcher tonight , just incase


I think you might be needing it.

Although I agree with Xeon that Rams aren't usually substrate spawners I have had them lay eggs in depressions they have formed in the gravel too.
As I have remarked at least once before - I don't think fish read the same articles that we do.

Good luck,

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25 Apr 2010 18:30 #7 by duzzy1 (Martin Kennedy)
well boring old sundays only ever lead to one thing .... yup ....fish tank work .... so here's the product of my afternoon

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25 Apr 2010 23:44 #8 by JohnH (John)
Looking good,
Looks like you had a more productive Sunday than I did!

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26 Apr 2010 11:10 #9 by Gavin (Gavin)
doing the water change probably acted as a trigger too. good luck with it.

dont make me come over there.

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26 Apr 2010 17:50 #10 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
Are they bumblebee goby?

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26 Apr 2010 20:45 #11 by duzzy1 (Martin Kennedy)
yup they certainly are

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26 Apr 2010 21:15 #12 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
Nice,how do you find them. I cant seem to find them at all down South :(

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26 Apr 2010 21:24 #13 by duzzy1 (Martin Kennedy)
they're great to be honest... gret character an seem to fit in very well in with my mix of angels and cory's and farlowella .

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26 Apr 2010 21:32 #14 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
Nice one, I often thought of keeping them but never could find them in any shops down this way. I know they prefer brackish water but I know some people have no issues with them in freshwater either.How do you find them for feeding,are they fussy?

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26 Apr 2010 21:36 #15 by duzzy1 (Martin Kennedy)
to be honest no ... i feed a mix of frozen bloodworm , frozen brine shrimp , dried flake food and live white worms and to be honest they seem to eat anything they get . Its actually a very entertaining sight to see one of thm with a white worm the same length as himself stickin from his mouth .

I have them i freshwater and can't say i've had any problems with them

there are quite a few shops down my direction that have thm in stock regularly ......

maybe give seamus a shout in aquapaws in galway , he would probably be able to sort you aout with a few

martin

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26 Apr 2010 21:41 #16 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
The Joys of been from Cork!!!

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26 Apr 2010 21:43 #17 by duzzy1 (Martin Kennedy)
well limerick aint that far from you .......... lol ..... try givin tom a shout in D&M aquatics in cork ..... that wouldn't be as far . He is alays great for gettin stuff in on request

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26 Apr 2010 21:46 #18 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
Thanks. Might take a trip up sometime.

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26 Apr 2010 21:51 - 26 Apr 2010 21:52 #19 by wolfsburg (wolfsburg)
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duzzy1 wrote:

well limerick aint that far from you .......... lol ..... try givin tom a shout in D&M aquatics in cork ..... that wouldn't be as far . He is alays great for gettin stuff in on request

Thought D+M was in Croagh, Co. Limerick, between Adare and Rathkeale... Well it was when I passed it last week! :P
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26 Apr 2010 22:08 #20 by duzzy1 (Martin Kennedy)
it is ..... but i meant it would be closer than a trip to galway

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26 Apr 2010 22:09 #21 by duzzy1 (Martin Kennedy)
whoops just saw my faux pas now ... stupid me

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01 May 2010 13:55 - 01 May 2010 13:56 #22 by wolfsburg (wolfsburg)
Replied by wolfsburg (wolfsburg) on topic Re:two Ramdy fish ( i think )
Sorry to hijack this thread but there's hardly any point in me putting up a new thread for it...
2 of the 3 bosemanis in my 260 community tank have formed a saucer-sized depression in the sand overnight and are doing very synchronised movements in it, they look in really really nice condition and are showing their classic colours. Fins are all stretched out. They are not being territorial as they are not reacting to the odd fish that comes near them. The only thing is that they aren't very old. I have them around 6 months and they arent as big as I've seen them before.

Where will I go from here? I know it's very unlikely and they are probably only at the "can I buy you a drink?" stage in human terms.

I'll try to get some pics or a vid up.
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01 May 2010 14:34 #23 by JohnH (John)
That sounds very much like Rainbow courting behaviour - especially if the male is showing increased colour.
I have had Rainbows (including Boesmanis) breed at 3/4 size, in fact I have some youngsters now from some.
So, it might be worth you investigating to see if there are any eggs there. I found they laid some each day, rather than 'all in one go' like you would see with most Barbs and Tetras - but that may perhaps not be the case for all.

They just lay their eggs and abandon them to their fates, they do not protect them at all so you will see if any eggs are being laid if they, or their tankmates, start showing an interest in the vicinity of the 'depression'.

You could try dropping some Java Moss around the area - some eggs will end up in it if they are laying any. You can then carefully remove them (they're quite hard and you'll feel them between your thumb and forefingers then transfer them to another container) (keep water clean, though).

I hope you collect some if they are spawning.

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02 May 2010 17:35 #24 by wolfsburg (wolfsburg)
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Cheers John
Here are 2 videos that I just took. Look closely and you can see the other bosemani come into shot at times, this one is way smaller and very dull in colour. I bought the 3 at the same time and they all looked dull and small up until a few weeks ago.
The "pair" spend a lot of time at the hollow they made, with short bursts of activity all arond the tank, and even fighting with each other.
There is always a fish or 2 hanging around the hollow, especially corys or loaches.
Are the eggs very visible?

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02 May 2010 20:02 #25 by JohnH (John)
Their eggs are almost (but not quite) transparent - but not to the Angel Fish in the first video!

I had a pair of Boesmanis which used to spawn daily up until quite recently - followed most attentively by the Clown Loaches...obviously they too could see the eggs - indeed one swum so closely that it discovered where the eggs were coming from, and would 'suck' at the female's vent obviously looking for more eggs!

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02 May 2010 20:13 #26 by wolfsburg (wolfsburg)
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JohnH wrote:

Their eggs are almost (but not quite) transparent - but not to the Angel Fish in the first video!

I had a pair of Boesmanis which used to spawn daily up until quite recently - followed most attentively by the Clown Loaches...obviously they too could see the eggs - indeed one swum so closely that it discovered where the eggs were coming from, and would 'suck' at the female's vent obviously looking for more eggs!

John

That's what I was thinking but the little depression in the sand is at the very front of the tank, I've got very good eyesight and I've been watching it all day yesterday and today and I'm seeing nothing!! It's like the fish that are hanging around there are eating at nothing. :huh:

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02 May 2010 20:21 #27 by wolfsburg (wolfsburg)
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I think I'll let sort out a breeding tank for them tomorrow and do it properly. What's the minimum you would put them in John?

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