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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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23 Jun 2010 22:49 - 23 Jun 2010 22:50 #1 by Gerry The Chip (Gerard)
Let me jus start by sayin im well annoyed, i bought a lovely little plec in aquatic village yesterday he had kinda yellow spots and a bit of yellow in his tale only about an inch in size came home today to find him dead and half eatin. The thing thats after annoyin me was i choose to put him in my planted tank rather than the empty 60ltr im stockin at the moment. In my tank there are mainly tetras but my columbian tetras are bigger than the rest so i suspect them as killin the plec.
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23 Jun 2010 23:01 #2 by mickdeja (Mick Whelan)
tetra killin a plec is a first for me.....but will leave it open for anyone else with a similar story, sorry to hear about yer new plec man.....

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23 Jun 2010 23:28 #3 by Gerry The Chip (Gerard)
Cheers man, yeah i find it hard to believe myself unless it was one of my 3inch plecs, ah i suppose it happens

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23 Jun 2010 23:42 #4 by Alex (Alex)
Replied by Alex (Alex) on topic Re:Fish death...
Sounds like a gold nugget pleco... Not a very hardy species... You just had some bad luck.... not every fish makes it from breeder tank\wild, bag, plane\boat, tank at LFS to your tank.

When buying a pleco you should look if it had a sunken stomach or not. some plecs just dont eat and stave to death..
I have something similar to a gold nugget... L142. They need protein in there diet aswell as algae ect..

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23 Jun 2010 23:46 #5 by Ma (mm mm)
Replied by Ma (mm mm) on topic Re:Fish death...
Sorry to hear that, real bummer Gerry, strange one alwight, sure he didn't die n get nibbledo n afterwards.

I tell thee, I would be returning a dead fish to the lfs under those circumstances, many buy fish and urrgghh dead after 24 hours, that can happen when a fish is moved too much over a short time and add a sudden temp\ph fluctuation and dead.

Also a fish bag cools a fair bit in a short time, it is not a good idea to pop a 22deg fishbag into a 26deg tank inless the bag has half the amount of water your tanks has:)
It takes about 2-3 hours to properly introduce fish to the quarentine, water added to the bucket they get popped into and not dunked nto a warm tank, a bag that size heats up in 20 30 mins in a fish tank, it should take 3 hours to raise 3 degrees fish temp, many forget this and just pop in the bag.


I think it is a good idea to also know the parameters or our lfs water too.

Mark

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23 Jun 2010 23:57 #6 by Gerry The Chip (Gerard)
Its possible he could have died then been nibbled on. He seemed fine for most of yesterday, something must hav happened when the lights went out. Iv never had a fish die within 24 hours but i suppose it doesn't always go according to plan. Gerry

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24 Jun 2010 00:00 #7 by Gerry The Chip (Gerard)
Now that i think of it does anyone test the water from the bag your fish travelled in?

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24 Jun 2010 00:02 - 24 Jun 2010 00:04 #8 by Ma (mm mm)
Replied by Ma (mm mm) on topic Re:Fish death...
It shouldnt matter if there is sufficient time for migration to new water. 2 hours gradual change to tank water is best. In winter 3 hours to be fair to yer auld pets.

These little measures improve the odds of a successful introduction.


Mark

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24 Jun 2010 09:31 #9 by Viperbot (Jason Hughes)
Gerry The Chip wrote:

Now that i think of it does anyone test the water from the bag your fish travelled in?


Always bro. Temperature is one thing, but its always a good idea to know the ph of the water the fish are being kept in at the LFS or wherever your new fish come from. Sounds like you had a Nugget there, and as Alex mentioned, they are a bit demanding, especially when that small and I would bet it was a water issue that killed it rather than starvation if it happened so soon after buying it. Certainly try to get something backfrom the LFS, but be ready to tell them how you acclimatised the fish before you do...

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24 Jun 2010 09:49 #10 by dyco619 (steve carmody)
i bought 2 plecos about 9 months ago, they were both about 2" both the same, come out of the same tank in the shop, i put them into the same tank at home, one was dead the next morning and the other is still going strong,, i think its just one of those things, as the lads said some fish just dont make it.
sorry to hear about your pleco..

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24 Jun 2010 10:34 #11 by Gerry The Chip (Gerard)
Yeah ill put it down to water conditions, wouldn't really be worth the trip back out to aquatic village.Ill check the water from now on jus to make sure everythings ok. Cheers for the comments lads.

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24 Jun 2010 11:01 #12 by joey (joe watson)
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i had a rummynose die in the bag on the way home a while back but it was a 5 for 4 deal so kinda free. same happened to the last 4 i got, found snails munching on one yesterday and another is MIA today. lost random copper rasbora (2 within 3 days). all i tested for was stable etc etc just random death

oh and a bristlenose got bit in half by a GSP but was kinda my fault i wanted to see could the puffer handle a tankmate

we do have a right to return pets if they die within a certain time frame, the uk has 1 week by law but not sure about here although some lfs have 1 day guarantee but some will just blame you for being stupid

basically if the fish are quality and acclimatsed well by the lfs (ie not tossed twixt bag n tank every few days) it should be strong enough to survive being put in your tank given you do it properly like mark mentioned it will last. if the lfs aren't taking proper care then you will have higher chance of losing the fish no matter how cautious you are with it

Location: Portlaoise, Midlands

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24 Jun 2010 14:36 #13 by Ma (mm mm)
Replied by Ma (mm mm) on topic Re:Fish death...
I have to say folks that fish I have added to the aquarium have always improved and not declined in health, I have only once got one fish that died later on, and he was from santry, my first purchace and riddled with Ich.

With the Pleco I'd say it is stress caused by a sudden metabolism increase\decrease, quickly changing water conditions. Remember their metabolism can only take 1 deg an hour or even slower rate of change, when this happens with several degrees their whole system goes out of whack and they wont eat and will die pretty quickly.
Sometimes it is not a case of not eating for 24 hours then dying when in truth they may not have eaten since being shipped to the lfs in the first place and the last move finishes em off. Plecos especally the more shy ones are constantly stressed in a bare tank as they feel conspicious and are always aware they can be spotted, add thid to the above and it is not hard to see why they sometimes die when you get em home.

Maybe LFS should have a specific pleco tank and not the usual bare brighlty lit tank for young plecos, with at least a place to hide and a piece of bwood as noshin on that and being able to hide has gotta be good for em and not an expensive extra cost..

@Joey
If you buy fish and one is dead before you get home, I would advise you bring the whole bag back and not put a fish near your tank.


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25 Jun 2010 23:59 #14 by joey (joe watson)
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true mark but they were the first stock going in a new tank and really couldn't be arsed with the hr drive for the sake of 10euro worth of fish

reluctant to shop there again to be honest

Location: Portlaoise, Midlands

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26 Jun 2010 01:10 #15 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
Quarantine tank lads should be mentioned here.

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26 Jun 2010 11:23 #16 by joey (joe watson)
Replied by joey (joe watson) on topic Re:Fish death...
one has gone in this week, air driven sponge filter running in sump to get bacteria up. all other tanks were taken up

Location: Portlaoise, Midlands

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26 Jun 2010 11:53 #17 by Denis (Denis Goulding)
Always ask when the fish were delivered and wait a week, u can always put a reserve on the fish u want. Even a down payment so the fish are kept for u..
If the lfs wont well they dont want ur custom then do they. Some will even put them in a seperate tank for u.. When u do get them home a Quaranteen tank for a week is a must,,
Remember a bad fish can ruin ur entire tank and it has happened to me, hundreds of euro down the drain, plants tank filter cleaned and rinsed several times and thre weeks to get the tank back to square 1 again..

If a fish dies on way home put remainder in q tank unless u live close to lfs, as they die just freeze them and inform ur lfs, it really doesnt matter to a good lfs when u return dead fish.

Good lfs will not sell bad fish and always inform them of dead and dying diseased fish in tanks, the lfs are ran by mostly good fish keepers so always say what u think-he ples died and the tetras ate the remains..Tell ur lfs and get a different one


Regards,
Denis

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