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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

Bleeding Heart Red Hook things

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12 Oct 2010 22:00 #1 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
I acquired some fish that are doing a bit of the rounds with a trade name of 'Bleeding Heart Red Hook Metynnis'.

Now, mine are quite small, but they ain't a Metynnis. (trade names drive me insane)

Has anyone come across these guys under that trade name, and, more importantly, is there a citation of their occurance locale that goes with any stock going around, and what are the adults like?

Now, to me they are either a Myloplus or a Myleus (but I'd need a dead one to tell).

I know that they are not Myletes lunaas that is Myloplus rubripinnis.
I do, however, suspect that the so called Bleeding Heart Red Hook Metynnis is actually Myloplus rubripinnis ( but a regional variation of the usual red hook pacus we see).

I have noticed a peculiar morphology on these, some specimens have an over-shot bottom jaw whilst others do not.
I haven't seen that in the usual Myloplus rubripinnis.

I'd be interested, also, to know what young Myloplus planquettei (a recent discovery) are like.....anyone come across these guys.

ian

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15 Oct 2010 22:55 #2 by platty252 (Darren Dalton)
Interesting. But unfortunately i cant help.

Hopefully someone working in the trade reads this and can help.

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15 Oct 2010 23:01 #3 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
Interestingly, I saw these in a LFS for ages and no-one seemed to buy any. I'd been eyeing them up, then decided to get a couple of them just to see which species they will grow up to be.

BUT...by magic and for some reason, just after I'd bought 2 I see that someone (or persons) had bought nearly every single other one left.

Hopefully, they do grow up to be what I think they are....which is a specific locale of M.rubripinnis. If they are, then the wll make a spectacular fish. Hopefully, I don't have to determine the species too soon (ie by autopsy)

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15 Oct 2010 23:12 #4 by platty252 (Darren Dalton)
They weren't down on the long mile road by any chance?
They had some small ones a while back.

Hopefully they grow in to stunners.

I came across these before in a guys tank (Another bad picture)

I couldn't beleave how colourful they were in subdued lighting.

Probably not connect to the post but i taught i would trow that picture up since i'm going through old photos.

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15 Oct 2010 23:37 #5 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
How did you guess the LFS? Yep, they did have a journey home from the long mile.

The Myleus schomburgkii(in your picture) are absolutely cracking fish. I'd love to have some of them again.
Very closely related to the Myloplus (eg the Red Hook Pacus).

The picture is actually a rather vital part of this thread in my opinion.....so cheers for digging it out Platy.

Colouration in the adults can be sometimes a bit random and rather eye-catching.

So, I'll add a picture of some of my Myloplus rubrippinis (Red Hook Pacu)



These are so hard to get to stay still to get in focus....and the little lines on the right are bubbles from the pumps.

I wonder why anyone would want a Piranha when you can have these gentle but loopy beauties instead.

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15 Oct 2010 23:56 #6 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
The pic is not the fish in question on the thread title by the way.

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16 Oct 2010 00:40 #7 by platty252 (Darren Dalton)
It was just by chance i came across the picture while looking for something else. That was about an hour before i read your post. coincidence or what.

They caught my eye in the shop because the red in the anal fin seemed to be extra red if you know what i mean. But that may have been the lighting or my imagination.
Apart from that i didn't notice anything odd, but then again i wasn't really looking. I just remember seeing them there.

Cheers for adding the name of the fish in the pics i posted, I had forgotten it.
I posted for an ID on the forum many moons ago and Drew knew the name. Stupid me forgot to make a note of it to add to the picture.

Your Myloplus rubrippinis Look great. Ive see these in action so well done on getting a photo, and a good one at that.

Maybe the LFS could ask there source for a bit more info in stead of a trade name. There maybe a little bit of info there that helps you figure out this puzzle

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16 Oct 2010 00:54 #8 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
Coincidences are great.

There is another species of Myleus that is very similar to the one in the photo, but I'm still going to go with the name I cited above.

The differences between Myleus and Myloplus are quite small. There is even a Myleus that is very similar to the Red Hook Pacu (and not a synonym either), but they are not commonly seen.

Well, the wee guys that I got will simply not stay still to get even an out-of-focus photo....so maybe when they are older.

The ones from the long mile have some nice vertical barring (quite faint)...but that will probably go as they grow.
There is a prominent red patch behind the gill.
And the red hook is rather superb.

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16 Oct 2010 14:35 #9 by platty252 (Darren Dalton)
The best of luck with them what ever they end up been.

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