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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

Female endler holding fry?

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10 Nov 2010 22:51 - 10 Nov 2010 22:52 #1 by Penny (Aedh Byrne)
Hey :)

My oldest endler female was due her fry a couple of weeks ago but she hasn't had them as far as I can tell. It's possible she had them and they were all eaten but she is still as big as she usually is when she is a day or two away from having them. She got a fungal infection about a week after she was overdue which I treated successfully with pimafix, and I thought maybe she got it because there are (I assume dead by now) fry still inside her. The infection is now gone but her fins are a little bit raggedy still and today I noticed 2 small dark marks on one side where she is silver (where all the internal organs are). It sort of looks like the silver inner membrane has burst internally in 2 spots but this is just a guess. She is in ok form otherwise, swimming with the slight 'left to right' wobbly motion due to her swollen size (she's huge but it isn't dropsy/fluid retention) but she is feeding well and active. I read a while back that a lot of livebearers die due to birth complications, so does any of this sound familiar? She is a guppy x endler hybrid so maybe the fry were too large. If this does sound like she has fry stuck inside her I assume she's in pain and I should euthanise? Advice appreciated, i'd hate to leave her in pain but don't want to euthanise if she has something treatable.

Cheers, Penny
Last edit: 10 Nov 2010 22:52 by Penny (Aedh Byrne).

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11 Nov 2010 01:29 #2 by JohnH (John)
Penny,
I would suggest an Epsom Salt bath (but for the life of me I cannot remember the ratio, try looking on goggle.
It has been proven that Fish do not feel pain (not as we accept it, anyhow) since they are cold-blooded creatures but she might well be suffering from being so huge.
However, I would leave euthanasia as a last resort, I have seen female livebearers abort young which have died - but equally I've also seen them die through birthing complications. If she's feeding all cannot totally be lost.
In my experience fish in a bad way do not feed.
Can anyone suggest the right percentage of water to Epsom Salts?

John

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15 Nov 2010 01:36 #3 by Penny (Aedh Byrne)
Thanks john, just thought i'd update. I had to euthanise her the next evening when it became obvious that her insides were literally about to burst. More of the silver lining split on her other side and I could clearly see some internal organs through the gaps. The bulge looked even bigger and I think she would probably only have lasted a couple more days max. On a brighter note one of her daughters had about 15 fry today so at least her genes live on :blush:

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15 Nov 2010 18:43 #4 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
Dropsy perhaps?

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