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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

how many tetra in a 240 ?

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26 Nov 2010 02:11 #1 by des (des)
a few plants, a few pieces of bogwood, nothing too fancy...
filtration, fluval 405 ext. + fluval 4 int.
lets say for argument's sake "red tail columbians"
so how many would fit comfortably in a Rio 240 ?

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26 Nov 2010 02:52 #2 by joey (joe watson)
i know the following rule can be a crock of faeces at times but i often find it a good guide: 1 inch per gallon. newby method, i know, but that is 60 gallon and it would at least allow you 30 fish, probably more as you are by no means a beginner. just add 8 or 10 fish at a time, see what it looks like you know yourself when things start looking too packed, they will get more aggressive the more you jam in there. the rio is fairly long so good swimming space is available. is it species only?

Location: Portlaoise, Midlands

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26 Nov 2010 20:45 - 26 Nov 2010 20:48 #3 by Ma (mm mm)
I had what you would call an overstocked tank and when I broke it down many here took fish from it, they know who they are, and all fish were very healthy and out of them all I have only ever found 2 yes 2 dead neon tetras out of 25 of them.

300L tank
Planted
Tetratec1200 and fluval biolife hang on wetdry(for a 150 abouts)
Eheim 100 pump with 1 defuser

Stock
85 Tetras including buenos aires, a larger tetra
2 3" ancistrus
1 3" whiptail
2 apple snails
20+ or more corydoras
about 2-300 adult cherry shrimp and god knows how many smaller ones



Mark

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26 Nov 2010 21:36 #4 by murph (Tony Murphy)
With LOTS of plants and bogwood, try 100 embers, 30 glowlight, 15 marble or 30 pygmy hatchet, a harem of Agasizzi (or a few pairs of pandurno, or 10 checkerboards), 10 or so Otto and a shoal of about 30 pygmy corys. Throw in a pair of sturisoma or farlowella for interest (but not activity).
Would look fab.

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26 Nov 2010 22:15 #5 by des (des)
yeah, i'm liking these suggestions so far, keep 'em comming
i'm definitely going with loads of tetras and small fish anyway
i like the thought of all the the little shrimps aswell
i can stick in a fair few by the sound of it :)
that's grand
maybe about 30 Hyphessobrycon bentosi, 30 Hyphessobrycon columbianus, a few hyper fish (giant danio, barb mackerel)to keep them all moving and some pleco's etc. etc.

i'm wondering if,
they would all mix together ?
would the above mentioned hyper fish nip the tetra ?
what would be the best kind of non-aggressive fish to keep the tetra moving ?
would i get away with the shrimps or would they be eaten ?
also i'm thinking if i could do some sort of bonsai tree looking type thing instead of the usual semi-sporadic planting arrangements ?

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26 Nov 2010 22:41 #6 by Gerry The Chip (Gerard)
Wouldnt recommend the Colombian tetra with shrimp, i have 4 that grew very fast there about 3" now including tail and iv had over 30 shrimp at one stage a few weeks ago and now i can only count 9 or 10 i hav seen the Colombians pick off a shrimp here and there if there hungry, Jus a heads up!

Gerry

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26 Nov 2010 22:57 #7 by des (des)
nice one Gerry
that's exactly the kind of info i need to hear
i have a small tank with four of them in it and couple of other fish
they do seem to be a bit nippy for tetra alright...

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26 Nov 2010 23:55 #8 by joey (joe watson)
like i said on the phone to you, best keep similar sized fish. like with barbs, the semi aggressive cxan be kept together so long as they are same size and/or in big groups. i'm going down the barb route, but the same idea as you, a few different schools of madness!
you must do a wee blog on in from the moment the tank is empty to when its fully stocked. with pics of course!
gimme a shout if you want cherry shrimp they are the mutts in a planted to keep the diatoms, cynobacter and algae in check, along with ottos (although i find the best ever is a chinese algae eater) and i'll sort you out with some assasin snails they are very handy in a planted you never see pest snail eggs come in on plants and meds dont fully kill them all

Location: Portlaoise, Midlands

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28 Nov 2010 18:35 - 28 Nov 2010 18:37 #9 by des (des)
ok, scratch everything i was saying about my new plan for this tank, as in, loads of tetra n' stuff
i think i might be able to get a true goliath african tiger fish
can't resist, promised myself i'd get another one after the last one died
plenty of space to grow him on in there
do it prorerly this time round
it'd be his tank, so very little tank mates to give him loads of space to beef up
yeah, i think that's the way to go...

only question is, can you keep a few of them together ?

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28 Nov 2010 23:13 #10 by joey (joe watson)
probably not in that size tank they could rip chunks out of each other, but in a bigger tank maybe a group would do ok, i think they fair ok both single and groups (watched robson [nob] green fishing for these at the base of a waterfall) they are big [around 1' maybe more] and dangerous but stayed hunting in groups

Location: Portlaoise, Midlands

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28 Nov 2010 23:28 #11 by des (des)
joey wrote:

stayed hunting in groups


cool, might chance 2, expensive enough though, so i'd loose the head if one got scoffed, have to do a bit of googling...
i'd keep moving them into bigger tanks as they grow...

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28 Nov 2010 23:41 #12 by joey (joe watson)
do you have the scientific name? 3'+ in the wild, but thats the african tiger fish Hydrocynus vittatus i dont know is it the same ??? looks like a beast, right up your street des!

Location: Portlaoise, Midlands

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28 Nov 2010 23:46 #13 by des (des)
Hydrocynus vittatus, that's the one, at least i hope it is, that's not always what you get when you order one ?
hard enough fish to come by...

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28 Nov 2010 23:49 #14 by joey (joe watson)
yeah and when they colour up they are beautiful, for a monster, with the red tail and dark stripes down the body. kept havin google land me on pages about them when i wanted to find out about the siamese tiger!

Location: Portlaoise, Midlands

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28 Nov 2010 23:55 - 29 Nov 2010 00:05 #15 by des (des)
yeah, lovely looking fish, did you see the river monsters episode about them ?, mental
you should download it, if not, Animal Planet - River Monsters - Demon Fish - S02E07 SD
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29 Nov 2010 00:24 #16 by joey (joe watson)
no just the robson green extreme fishing. he's a tool but interesting seeing what endemic fish are caught abroad for food when we pay thru the nose to keep in a tank! one week he caught a 5' or bigger arapaima. now thats a monster! just silicone your doors and fill the house with water des, you'd have just enough space for one! :P

Location: Portlaoise, Midlands

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29 Nov 2010 00:30 #17 by des (des)
hahahaha, yeah, just about :)

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29 Nov 2010 00:32 - 29 Nov 2010 00:37 #18 by des (des)
check this out for a tank...

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29 Nov 2010 00:37 #19 by des (des)

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29 Nov 2010 18:28 #20 by serratus (Drew Latimer)
Hey Des the true goliath tiger fish is found in the congo river system and rarely imported- latin name is Hydrocynus goliath the Hydrocynus vittatus is a "smaller" species from the zambize and a few other lakes n rivers and gets about 2 feet- goliaths can reach over 6 ft!!! Can get both, vittatus is easily got, true goliaths alot harder. Vitatus are alot cheaper and mostly seen, goliaths are harder to source and more expensive, have seen alot of vittatus sold as goliaths.. sad :(

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29 Nov 2010 19:23 #21 by des (des)
hi drew

vittatus, about 2 feet, they'll do, that's a lot more realistic...
can you keep a few of them together ?

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29 Nov 2010 19:34 #22 by serratus (Drew Latimer)
Yeh about 2-3 ft, plenty big lol!!! Yeh they usually hunt in schoals bit like piranha but only really suited in a public display in a group... best to keep one in your size tank.

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29 Nov 2010 20:03 #23 by des (des)
serratus wrote:

Yeh about 2-3 ft, plenty big lol!!! Yeh they usually hunt in schoals bit like piranha but only really suited in a public display in a group... best to keep one in your size tank.


the 240 is just to grow them on a bit and then i'd get progressively bigger tanks as needed
sure you'd have to, maybe get 2 and see how they get on, if they don't kill each other, get another 2...
i love the thought of having a few of those fish
although i've seen some videos of them, big enough ones in home aquariums and they all seem to have loads of algae on the glass, which i find to be slightly concerning, once bitten and all that, mesh glove or long algae scrubber on a stick, me thinks... :dry:

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