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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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22 Apr 2011 15:34 #1 by lambo111 (kevin)
Hi I was in the LFS today and say a betta they are really lovely fish but I have read they are aggressive fish and I don't think they can be kept in pairs. is that 2 males/females or can you have 1 male 1 female.

What fish will they get along with if there in a large tank can they be kept with guppies or is it a no no

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22 Apr 2011 15:49 #2 by fishhead88 (Aaron)
you cant really keep them with much maybe some shrimp but it may kill them. i wouldnt keep a male and a female together. Id only do it while they mate and then remove the female and the male will look after the eggs. as for guppies not a chance ( looks to much like a betta ) ive heard if u have a good sized tank you can add a betta as ur last fish and sometimes it will be fine and for others it wont so its a 50 - 50 chance really. aslo betta fish that like a lot of movement in there water just thought id throw that in too. hope this helps.

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22 Apr 2011 16:33 #3 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
I guess you mean siamese fighters (splendens).

You could get away with keeping some females in with other fish if the other fish are carefully selected.

Males....best kept on their own. They are aggressive, but the main victim might be the male himself with many fish.
He may simply sit and sulk in a corner and have his fins the temptation of many other fish to have a got at.
In some cases, he may venture to do some bullying but finds that another fish may simply have a go back.

In general, they are not the most competitive for food. And males tend to be just too slow.

There are fish they can mix with, but that needs planning and can be hit and miss.

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22 Apr 2011 17:44 #4 by dar (darren curry)
i'd go with a few neons and glowlight tetras, small, fast and some what peaceful (in saying that i had a neon that harassed much larger than a betta)

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22 Apr 2011 18:01 #5 by Viperbot (Jason Hughes)
I tried keeping a Betta with neons before and it was a disaster. The smaller faster fish made mince of his finnage so I had to remove him. I guess the fins were just to tempting, plus he was a wine coloured fish so his fins looked like worms to them and he knew not a moments peace. Go for slow moving species like dwarf gouramis but they havnt been in the best of shape lately, Ive had a few die quickly (and horribly) soon after purchase. There was a virus of some sort going through certain suppliers stock. Not sure if this is still the case however...


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22 Apr 2011 19:06 #6 by dar (darren curry)
i suppose if suggesting a fish, tempermental fish cant come into it, some can work some cant but ive kept my sugestions happily. mind you the neon was attacking an opaline gourami, i dont have the gourami but the neon is still trucking along

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22 Apr 2011 19:22 #7 by lambo111 (kevin)
Thanks for the replies guys I kinda had a feeling i couldn't keep a betta with guppies I was thinking along the line of setting up a second tank for just a betta(Siamese fighting fish) and wanted to know weither or not to keep him on his own.

I intend on having at least guppies I have 330 litres to play with a school of tetra's would look cool but would guppies and possibly mollies grow to big for them.

I also saw some tiger barbs today and they looked quite interesting

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22 Apr 2011 19:34 #8 by stretnik (stretnik)
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I'd imagine Corydoras would be fine. Their Spiky Fins and Armour would protect them.

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22 Apr 2011 20:12 #9 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)

aslo betta fish that like a lot of movement in there water just thought id throw that in too. hope this helps.


Betta's prefer very little water movement actually.They have a labyrinth organ which helps them in this regard.They dont do well in tanks with alot of movement. Also their breeding, its still water which they require to build their bubble nest.

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22 Apr 2011 20:17 #10 by stretnik (stretnik)
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Absolutely, all Anabantoids reside in slow moving water, actually very little indeed, they prefer acidic, soft borderline still water., imagine a Bubble nest in a torrent of Water.

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22 Apr 2011 23:05 #11 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
ditto slow moving water for siamese fighters.

If going for corydoras, then no better fish than Cory sterbi as it can take higher temps than most corys.

As said, there are fish that can mix with fighters, but maybe it is best not to bother trying to work out which ones: simply set-up a fighter tank....and use dividers for one-fish one-compartment.

Although they can take lowish temperatures, the temp should be around 80F in my experience....that would be a bit too high for standard guppies. Guppies also prefer the water that is not ideal for fighters.
The long-term health of one or other would suffer.

330 litres....a bit too much for a fighter. It may end up starving to death in a corner.

On the other hand, if you have a large tank then there is a possibility of building a little section for fighters. I have some like that.

I hope that the tiger barbs are not being eyed-up to go with the fighters (you're pulling our leg if they are :)) . A classic text-book non-mixer.

There have been some stunning fighters on the market here in recent times (but I cannot advertise the shop selling them....that's for the shop to do that :)).....so always worth a temptation. The tank-raised specimens don't take much care once you have the water in good condition and mature, and they get some good food.
Wild caught fighters are, however, a little bit more tricky....but I've not seen B.splendens wilds for donkeys years.

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23 Apr 2011 00:14 #12 by louis (David Knowles)
I have a delta male betta in 125L with a rainbow , denisoni,headstander,gourami and a few different barbs he's feeding well and seems to be ok. Beautiful fish initially had some fins nipped but not getting harassed now. He's usually first up front and centre when there's food and eats really well

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23 Apr 2011 14:02 #13 by Xaribdis (Lorcan O' Brien)

Wild caught fighters are, however, a little bit more tricky....but I've not seen B.splendens wilds for donkeys years.

ian


- Seahorse had some beauties a while back. They only got a few in and sold through pretty quickly.

When I started out fishkeeping (which isn't that long ago) one of the first fish I bought was a Siamese Fighter. He lived perfectly happily in my 200L with Guppies, Angels, Knifefish, Plecs etc! It really was a pure beginers community tank, but all were healthy for 6-8 months. Alas, when I realised all these fish were not meant to be compatible I interferred and put in a fish trap to catch a Synodontis. I forgot about it and next morning found the Betta in there. He probably asphyxiated, not being able to get to the surface.

It serves me right for interferring, but does show that certain individuals will be able to handle a community tank. In saying that, I wouldn't suggest trying it, as Bettas can vary hugely from individual to individual and have heard that males will only really get extremely aggressive after they have come in contact with a female for the first time (don't we all know that feeling!! :laugh:).

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23 Apr 2011 20:00 #14 by lambo111 (kevin)


I hope that the tiger barbs are not being eyed-up to go with the fighters (you're pulling our leg if they are :)) . A classic text-book non-mixer.


I wasn't pulling your leg :) I only saw tiger barbs for the first time yesterday and taught they were interesting I would never just buy fish and throw them together I know that much.
If i see a fish i like ill check its water parameters online and a list of compatible tank mates.

still looking for ideas for my tank I was going to put plants in but to be honest i think i'll concentrate on fish there is enough to learn without throwing plants in.

What do people use to quarantine new fish or do you bother to quarintine?

I saw this which can apparently be used as a seperator for a betta

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23 Apr 2011 20:14 #15 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
As you can see, some people do manage to get a siamese fighter with some other fish (and I have had some good community tanks in the past with a fighter), but more often than not the fighter doesn't quite do as well as it could do.

There is some debate on betas in breeding tanks, but there a few problems to take care with without any debate:
any divided system should have a lid as fighters are good at jumping!

the main danger with the 'floating' breeding tanks with lids is that if they tilt then they could sink with the fish trapped inside. That is dangerous for a siamese fighter as they must go to the surface quite often to breath. So, if you went for a floating system, then stuff some expanded polystyrene into the empty spaces intended to keep the thing afloat.

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24 Apr 2011 05:42 #16 by stretnik (stretnik)
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25 Apr 2011 08:18 #17 by igmillichip (ian millichip)

I think this might be better.

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that's a fancy piece of kit, Kev. Looks a bit like the old air-pump driven external filters (for anyone old enough to remember them).

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25 Apr 2011 11:52 #18 by dar (darren curry)

the main danger with the 'floating' breeding tanks with lids is that if they tilt then they could sink with the fish trapped inside. ian


this happened me a few year back, i had no lid but the little bit of air in the side floats and a gentle current was enough to topple it and trap the slow as a snail betta, the thing was going ballistic wen i got in.

i wouldn't keep one of these with bigger fish as they dont live up to their name in a community with slightly larger fish, they should be called siamese whipping boys

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26 Apr 2011 10:11 #19 by fishhead88 (Aaron)
my last comment i said do and ment dont i was trying to rush it because i was heading out. just thought id correct myself

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25 May 2011 18:26 #20 by alan.s (alan)
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Guys what would make a good tank mate for barbs? I have a school of 12 and my mollys have unfortunately nearly all died off over the last few months and was looking for something to fill the gap. Any ideas?

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25 May 2011 20:19 #21 by Viperbot (Jason Hughes)

Guys what would make a good tank mate for barbs? I have a school of 12 and my mollys have unfortunately nearly all died off over the last few months and was looking for something to fill the gap. Any ideas?



What type of barbs are you talking about? Generally speaking, the best tankmates for barbs are other barbs, sharks. Keep fast moving, boisterous fish with them and avoid slow moving fish with trailining finnage and you should be good to go.

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25 May 2011 20:36 #22 by alan.s (alan)
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Moss and tiger barbs. They seem to be ok with one another just don't wanna be upsetting them or potential tank mates.

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13 Jun 2011 00:10 #23 by gunnered72 (Eddy Gunnered)
Ive kept a Male Siamese Fighter along with a school of ten Galaxy Rasboras in a small 60 litre tank without any problems whatsoever...Galaxy Rasboras are shy and very peaceful so they minded their own business all the time...It was the same for the Siamese Fighter.He never ever bothered the Rasboras and even when he did head in their direction they just moved away casually as if to say theres plenty of room in here for everybody :P

I reckon the decor and various plants I had in the tank helped by creating hiding and restspots for everyone.

As for what to keep with Tiger Barbs? Nothing with any kind of flarey wavey trailing type finnage..Angels/Gouramis/Bettas etc etc are a total no no..Most other barbs are fine with tiger barbs..as viperbot said similar fast moving fish of similar size are usually fine...Ive kept a school of tiger barbs with SAEs,Cherry Barbs, a Red Tal Black Shark and an American Flag Fish (No problems whatsoever)...The tank was a well planted 180 litre with plenty of bogwood.....All of these fish were quick movers with normal finnage...

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