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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

trigon 190 now changed to350 setup

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14 Feb 2013 23:42 - 04 May 2013 06:35 #1 by hammie (Neil Hammerton)
Just picked up a Juwel 190 Trigon,
To say its a bit mankey is an understatement! Have to spend some time cleaning it before I can go setting it up properly!
Going to need a new internal filter for it, but not sure which to go for! I think the standard juwel filter will suit my needs just fine to start with anyway! I'll be adding a small external filter at some stage too I think!
Question is what pump do I need? I'm thinking bioflo 280? Anyone any experience with this?

I'm going to fit 2x 150watt heaters to ensure continuity of temp throughout!

I'm also going to need a new light unit as this one has been butchered slightly and with 2 small kids in the house I don't want to take chances!
Does it have to be genuine juwel light unit or will an alternative be cheaper and work just as well?

Going to start this as fresh water (tropical) and depending on how I eventually stock it, possible gradually turn it brackish water!!!

Any suggestions as to substrate? I'm thinking Sand, but am open to suggestion and pros / cons for against a particular substrate

Looking forward to getting this up and running

Neil
Last edit: 04 May 2013 06:35 by hammie (Neil Hammerton).

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15 Feb 2013 09:47 #2 by Ski (Alan McGee)
Would you not consider just getting one external for it from the start? That way there'd be more room for fish and it would be easier to maintain.

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15 Feb 2013 11:31 #3 by hammie (Neil Hammerton)
Finances are the restriction at this stage...
Ideally yes that's what id want to do, but its just not feasible at the moment

(unless a super cheap second hand unit came up)

Im having issues cleaning alot of the algae and mess off the tank as most of it seems to have been there a brave while!!
Any suggestions as to what might help?
Also which is more effective, dry cleaning or wet?
Im using a normal Dish sponge (with the rough green scrubbing side) and a Stanley blade to try clean it and its not really making much impact as yet!!!!

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15 Feb 2013 11:32 #4 by CrustyCrab (Peter Biddulph)

Would you not consider just getting one external for it from the start? That way there'd be more room for fish and it would be easier to maintain.


I agree. In the long run, it would be easier on your pocket than replacing the Juwel Filter, and then adding a small external later.

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15 Feb 2013 11:55 #5 by Ski (Alan McGee)
Jez it must be seriously dirty so. That's what i would use as well - rough bit of sponge (wet) and blade.

Maybe someone else might have another trick?

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15 Feb 2013 12:09 #6 by CrustyCrab (Peter Biddulph)
I have used an old credit card, a blade and the green washing-up scrubber.
I have also soaked the algae with white vinegar and that has helped loosen it. Works for Limescale too. Remember to rinse well after using the vinegar.

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15 Feb 2013 12:32 #7 by hammie (Neil Hammerton)
It does kinda make sense in the long run to maybe put off setting it up for another week or two and getting the external!!!
(suppose i might have just been rushing to get it running!!!!
Ill keep at it with what Im using so!!!! Seems to be common "equipment" for the job!
Ill get some pics of it up too! Its no where near as bad as it was before i started!!! But it will give an idea!!!!
Think I've decided on sand as substrate!!! Been looking around and i think its one of the nicer looking substrates!!!
Child's play sand would be ok wouldn't it? Think I've read of a few using it on here!!!

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15 Feb 2013 12:37 #8 by CrustyCrab (Peter Biddulph)
I use Play Sand, you can get it from the Early Learning center, You can also get it from B&Q and the like. Just remember to wash it well.

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18 Feb 2013 00:11 #9 by hammie (Neil Hammerton)
Think I might have made a mess of the tank trying to use play sand as substrate! Filled the tank tonight with a big bag of play sand, nice and clean and well washed......
Anyway filled the tank with buckets of water and now I can't see anything in the tank, its just sand everywhere!
Where did I go wrong? And do I need to drain it again and restart from scratch! I haven't turned the filter on yet, I was goin to wait till everything settled and then turn it on, but nothings settling after a few hours!

Is this normal or am I just a twit and given myself a bucket load of work?

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18 Feb 2013 00:37 #10 by newbejkjimk (damien kelly)
Hi hammie are you sure you washed and washed and washed till the water ran clear? if so did you poor the water into the tank onto a plate or something to stop the water stirring up the sand too much? if so then i would suggest getting a internal filter and fill it with filter floss and tomorrow turn it on place it mid way up the tank making sure your not disturbing the settled sand!
jim

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18 Feb 2013 00:38 #11 by CrustyCrab (Peter Biddulph)
Oooops It would have been best to use a hose pipe, running slowly, real slowly, and direct the flow onto a plate, that would have helped stop the sand getting mixed into the water.
I would drain the tank and refill. That way you get the real fine stuff that's in suspension out.

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18 Feb 2013 00:41 #12 by newbejkjimk (damien kelly)
sorry crusty i think we spotted the prob and typed at the same time!

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18 Feb 2013 00:51 #13 by CrustyCrab (Peter Biddulph)
No worries newbejkjimk. Using the floss is a good idea.

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18 Feb 2013 08:34 #14 by hammie (Neil Hammerton)
Its settled a good bit this morning, but water is still a little cloudy, so I'm going to empty it and refill it using the hose!
I think I'll use a bucket in the bottom of the tank to direct the water into once the level is a bit higher and just fill it very very slowly!
Its going to be a week or two before its fully setup and planted, (I'm in no rush) I have a nice little river not far from me where I'll get some nice rocks and stones, then I'll pick up some slates and flat stones to setup mini caves and hiding places!
I have an air pump there swell that I'll user a nice mister in at the back of the tank and round the side possibly too

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18 Feb 2013 22:43 #15 by JustinK (Justin Kelly)
Have you decided how to cycle the tank before adding your fish ?

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18 Feb 2013 23:38 #16 by hammie (Neil Hammerton)
I'm taking already established filter from an existing tank, which should help greatly!
Then just follow my previous procedure with possibly a gold fish

If anyone has better suggestion I'm willing to listen.........


I've scrapped the sand idea, going back to stone.... I know what I'm doing with stone!
I'll also be getting some RO water (always handy to have a supply)

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20 Feb 2013 20:52 #17 by JustinK (Justin Kelly)
Is the filter from your own existing tank ?
Are you shutting down the other tank ?

Depending on the size of the other tank,
you could use the water to fill the new tank or when doing a water change
use this water in the new tank and add 20/30% freshwater.
You might have to run with half a tank until you add freshwater like doing
a water change ( without removing water, just adding fresh)
until your finally full.
Once your heater and filter are submerged you be fine.
You can also start adding some fish right away.
Its like extending the established tank.

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20 Feb 2013 21:37 #18 by davey_c (dave clarke)
i suspect you might be making work for yourself like did you try scraping the crap off the tank dry? usually works a treat for me instead of smudging it in with a wet sponge, if you didn't fully wash out the sand before putting it into the tank all you have to do is let the sand settle to the bottom, which doesn't take too long, and let your filter get rid of the cloudyness while washing the crap from the sponges regularly... you could always run your hand through the sand to repeat the process.
as for the light unit, if you are set on getting a replacement and no universal unit will fit (i don't know myself) then find out if any other units from other jewels will fit and someone here might have 1 spare. if its a t8 unit then might be a good opportunity to upgrade to t5's.

Below tank is for sale

my plywood tank build.

www.irishfishkeepers.com/index.php/forum...k-build-diary#137768

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20 Feb 2013 22:40 #19 by hammie (Neil Hammerton)
No Im not shutting another tank down, my other existing tank is only a 60 litre and I had that just getting back into fish after a long long time awayfrom them!
The filter that's in there belongs to another 100litre tank that I bought off a member here that will be given to a family member as a present in a few weeks, so chances are that I'll keep that in the tank until its being setup to run on its own!

Davy
I pretty much got the tank cleaned up to a standard that I could start using it!
There's another little bit of cleaning to be done to keep me happy but its getting there!
Light unit is a 69cm unit (think its t5s already) so I'll be able to pick 1 up from another tank somewhere handy enough!


I've sourced the external filter now too, I had hoped to collect it tonight but the seller hasn't gotten back in touch.
(Fingers crossed I hear from him soon)
If not I'll hit lfs in a week or so and pick one up!
Thinking of asking a friend to add external to his tank for a week or two, to set it up on a known healthy tank
Any known issues with doing this?

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20 Feb 2013 23:02 #20 by JustinK (Justin Kelly)
Possible implications on his tank or little result in colonising the new filter.
There will only be enough bacteria in the tank as is required.
So if an extra filter is added will it take away from the first filter, ie spread the total bacteria ?
which is quite possible or be proportionate to their rating lph a they
would both be filtering the waste and if greater than 100% off whats required
then they should be proportionate to their lph IMO ;-)

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20 Feb 2013 23:22 #21 by hammie (Neil Hammerton)
He will be shutting his tank down soon anyway and moving his fish on (and giving me a few) as he is looking at a marine setup instead!
He just has to have the money for live rock and the skimmer as he has everything else sitting there already!!!!

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27 Feb 2013 19:23 #22 by hammie (Neil Hammerton)
Instead of starting a new thread I thought I would continue this one!

Got the trigon nicely cleaned up and chose to go with an API Nexx external filter (something a bit different and supposedly modular)

To start with when I set the filter up I thought "this isn't going to be enough" anyway I persevered and let it cycle away (filter squeeze from my smaller tank to help with cycle and some RO water to avoid issues with chlorine etc)

Anyway as you can see the water is now very very clear and I'm actually quite impressed with the filters cleanup job!
I could no longer keep my 2 pleco's where they where and had to bring them home... due to their size I had no choice other than putting them into the tank, even tho technically I haven't setup the tank for them!
The little coliseum won't be staying in there, its just there to let the two of them hide until I get some stones and slate washed and set it up as I want to!
Now my question here is, how much weight can I put into the tank before overloading the glass bottom?

My plan is to possibly use a thickish flat piece of slate / stone to help spread weight!
I plan to build the back of the tank up a bit to provide hiding places but not so much that I compromise the tank space!

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27 Feb 2013 20:43 #23 by LemonJelly (Johnny Cowley)
i had a similar question about my Juwel Vision180 a few weeks ago and was assured by another member that the patented Juwel aquarium bases where capable of a significant loadbearing and i'd be inclined to agree (since he had put ALOT more weight in his tank than i ever had). as for spreading the weight, i think if you just make sure to put the rocks down on their flattest part (at least the base ones) and not have the weight resting on a point, you should be ok

"The only thing that burns in Hell is the part of you that won't let go of your life; your memories, your attachments. They burn them all away. But they're not punishing you.They're freeing your soul."

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27 Feb 2013 21:57 #24 by hammie (Neil Hammerton)
Thanks fella, that's great..... exactly what I needed to know!
Tomorrow morning is now going to be spent up to my knees in a local river looking for nicely weathered rocks and stones!
Looking forward to getting a bit more work done and setting it up better for the new inhabitants in the next few weeks

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27 Feb 2013 22:14 #25 by LemonJelly (Johnny Cowley)
new tank fever... can't beat it :crazy:

"The only thing that burns in Hell is the part of you that won't let go of your life; your memories, your attachments. They burn them all away. But they're not punishing you.They're freeing your soul."

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11 Mar 2013 22:36 #26 by hammie (Neil Hammerton)
So I've started stocking the tank now, went to one of the site sponsors and collected a new set of filters for my API Nexx filter, and at the same time picked up a nice large piece of bog wood!
At present I have 1 green terror, 2 fire mouths and a red head goephagus in there along with 2 cobalt blue lobsters and 2 largish plecos!

I'm collecting a few more fish over the next 2-3 weeks including a couple of sevrums, an electric blue jack Dempsey and a few more!

www.dropbox.com/s/bq50ed7ksigf3ku/20130311_201359.jpg
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(Not adding image codes due to size of pics) click links to see pics!

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12 Mar 2013 01:04 #27 by hammie (Neil Hammerton)


Wife was moving things around and tidying up.... she opened the cupboard under the tank thinking she could use the space and asked "what's all this and do you need it all" then asked "what's the point in having the cupboard if I can't use it"?

Personally I thought it was well used and asked her did she not have enough storage everywhere else that she wanted to use mine.......

I think I'm getting silent treatment now lol

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12 Mar 2013 18:02 #28 by CrustyCrab (Peter Biddulph)
Did she spot secret stash of biscuits on the bottom shelf?

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12 Mar 2013 19:03 #29 by Q_Comets (Declan Chambers)
Hehe. She's FINE!!!!!

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12 Mar 2013 19:12 #30 by hammie (Neil Hammerton)
That just an empty box unfortunately!!!! Its actually a stash of carbon and ceramic media Lol

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