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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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12 Apr 2013 21:54 #1 by hammie (Neil Hammerton)
Right, I've been running a Triton 190 for a while now, but I'm upgrading it to a bigger 350 model!
I've got serious space issues, so running the two tanks side by side isn't an option!

So here's the question, if I transfer the entire contents of the 190 into the 350 and use another 170 litres of ro water
How would it affect the cycle?
Now I'm talking water, substrate external filters decoration the works!!!


Or would I be better off half filling the new tank with existing contents and adding the rest of the water over a bit of time?

I know the correct way to do it would be run them side by side, but as I said, space problems wouldn't let that happen!!
I Need ideas!
I have heard that tetra bactozym would create a near instant cycle (24hr cycle) but I would be skeptical of any such product!
If anyone has had experience of this kind of thing can you please help me out?

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12 Apr 2013 22:33 #2 by jeff (Jeff Scully)
Replied by jeff (Jeff Scully) on topic upgrading tank
I think you would be fine if you transfer the entire contents of the 190 into the 350 and use another 170 litres of ro water your not messing with the bacteria it would be kida like doing a 50% water change in any tank accept your diluting the original water and its not going to effect the filter bacteria as your bio load is the same, i would not add any new fish for a week just to be safe but i cant see any probs

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12 Apr 2013 22:58 #3 by hammie (Neil Hammerton)
There is no plan to add any live stock in the first few weeks anyway Jeff
Thanks buddy! I was hoping that would be the case!
Wonder if I was to setup a 100 litre tank just to cycle more water would I help myself out slightly!

More bacteria to transfer into bigger tank couldn't hurt could it?
Kinda forgot I even had the 100 not being used lol

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12 Apr 2013 23:43 #4 by jeff (Jeff Scully)
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no need to cycle more water as you already have a cycled tank your only topping up what you have its like if your tank evaporates so many ltrs. you can just top it up and theirs no probs (once your water is good) and even if your nitrates are high this will tone them down a bit and then do a normal water change next week
what you could do aswell is once the new water is dechlorinated or ro water you could add api stress zyme which is great for a large water change

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15 Apr 2013 09:25 #5 by joey (joe watson)
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i'd forget all those additives if it were me.
one thing to be wary of is "new tank syndrome" where the water goes very milky, although if everything but the glass is already used then it shouldn't be a problem.
do you not have any live stock at the moment that you are transferring?
if there is no fish in there, you need to feed your bacteria to keep it alive or else you need to almost start your cycle again! well, niot that drastic but you'd have to go thru a mini cycle so keep an eye on the levels when the first few fish go in

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15 Apr 2013 11:36 #6 by Muppetkiller (Stephen)
I think you will be fine, i did the same thing but it was a marine set up. Had about 280Ltr of water from 2 tanks and wanted to add them to my new 450Ltr tank and it worked fine for me. Only had to make up another 170Ltr ish of salt water.

Sum it up i joined two tanks of fish & water into one bigger then the 2 tanks combined, and topped it up with Salt water and did not go into another cycle that i could tell.

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15 Apr 2013 15:58 #7 by hammie (Neil Hammerton)
Fish will be moving at the same time!
Stock going in will be 2 fire mouths, a green terror, 3 large plecs, 2 sevrums a convict & 2 cobalt blue cray fish

I'll just have to test water every day for a week or so till I'm happy its not going to go stupid on me!

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15 Apr 2013 16:14 #8 by wolfie (Anthony)
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whats the craic hammie,did you buy the 350 brand new?

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15 Apr 2013 17:29 #9 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
You will fine if you use the existing water and filters etc..
As for the new water...just treat it for the chlorine and add away. Its no different than a 50% water change.If your still concerned then just add 25% new water this week and top it up next week by another 25% and your tank will be fine in any event.

Gavin

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15 Apr 2013 18:05 #10 by davey_c (dave clarke)
If ye don't mind me asking, why are ye using r/o water? Are you mixing it with tap water or suplimenting it?
Anyways back on topic, you should be fine doing it that way because I have done it myself numerous times in the past with green terrors and sevs. Their prity hardy fish.

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15 Apr 2013 18:47 #11 by hammie (Neil Hammerton)
Using ro as I was told it would help keep my ph lower.....
Ph in my tap water is closer to 7.5 ph in tank currently is 6.4 (ish)

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15 Apr 2013 20:55 #12 by joey (joe watson)
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you might be best treating tap water, ro water has nothing in only pure h2o. there are a number of ways the soft water guys will be able to explain the ways, one i heard is to filter it thru peat in a water butt it'll get all the tannins and goodies your fish will need besides the wetness

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15 Apr 2013 21:19 #13 by hammie (Neil Hammerton)
That would mean buying and finding somewhere to put a water butt plus finding peat etc
I normally use ro water during water changes anyway (costs very little)
I would use normal tap water so long as it doesn't raise the Ph too much! (Don't want any unnecessary stressing of the fish)

I don't want to use Ph adjusters as I've heard some horror stories with them! Ie. They work for 10 mins then the Ph shoots back up to origio al level etc!

Hopefully I'll have this tank on Thursday anyway and start the process of moving and settling!

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