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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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22 Mar 2008 00:51 #1 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
Hi Folks,
Well my ESB went out today as it was v windy,albeit it for only an hour or so. I covered my tank with a Blanket as soon as it went out, think thats what I need to do in the event of a power failure. It was on again in an hour so no damage done, however it made me think, how long can the tank do without power (I mean for the temperature ?) and what should we do if the ESB is out for a day or two in the future in storms etc..

Thanks

Gavin

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22 Mar 2008 01:46 #2 by goldy (goldy .)
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I had that shock after a night out and when I came home the power was out. I have a battery pump which provides oxigen via an airstone this hopefully would keep the bacteria in the filter alive. As far as I know and someone can correct me but I think the bacteria start to die off pretty soon but it can take up to about 8 hours for them to be useless. As far as keeping the temp up a hot water bottle or a 2 litre bottle with hot water in it could be out in the tank to try to maintain the temp. Depends on the temp of your house aswel. My tank is in the sitting room so to light the fire would probably keep the temp up for a while. covering it would be a good idea too as you say it would stop the heat escaping.

My dilema today was that the mains water pipe burst and I had just come home with some frogs and frog spawn. Thanks Vincent. and couldnt fill the tank outside so I know what the panic feels like. you just have to do your best and hope its good enough.

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22 Mar 2008 08:01 #3 by Acara (Dave Walters)
Replied by Acara (Dave Walters) on topic Re:ESB Outage
A friend of mine had the same prob last winter,over a freezing cold period his power went out for just over 24hrs.He had discus in a 400ltr tank.He used the battery powewred air pump as Nessa said,wrapped the tank several times in kitchen foil and a duvet,and I cant recall,but think he must have used hot water bottles too.Over the 24hrs or so,the tank only dropped to 21degrees,not bad at all.

Dave

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22 Mar 2008 16:39 #4 by scorphonic (Kieran Crosbie Staunton)
If you want to go the money route, follow my advice and get a generator strong enough to power the tanks you have.

You can pick one up in a shop for 200 to 300...maybe less. Lidl or aldi sold one during the year and my dad got one...although its ok to run one tank..it wont do my two tanks. Thankfully my second tank has a fry filter and so is simply connected to an air filter...so I just pumped air into it every now and again during the power cut. My external filter on my large tank has a button to prime the filter so I also pump this during a power cut...keeps the water circulating in your filter.

Generator offers serious piece of mind...

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27 Mar 2008 16:06 #5 by Oregato (William Li)
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sorry for sounding like an idiot.. but how come the bacteria die if the tanks filter is not on? or have i completely missed the point?

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27 Mar 2008 17:00 #6 by JohnH (John)
Replied by JohnH (John) on topic Re:ESB Outage

sorry for sounding like an idiot


Not at all, no-one with genuine questions 'sounds like an idiot' - no way!

We are all learning - each and every day.

Very basically, and you will get subsequent replies explaining more fully than this, there are two types of beneficial bacteria living in your filtration system, one of which will only thrive in Oxygen-rich water and it's these which will die, for obvious reasons when the electricity fails for any length of time.

As Goldy was saying, they start to die off without oxygen pretty quickly but it does take a fair length of time before they are all irretrievably lost, I'm not sure about the timescale she quotes but if you can keep a battery-powered aerator passing air (and ultimately Oxygen) over the filter media the Oxygen-dependent bacteria will certainly live much longer than without it.

OK, that was a layman's reply, but I'm confident you'll get more precise information later on.

John

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N. Tipp

We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl - year after year.


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It's a long way to Tipperary.

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27 Mar 2008 18:10 #7 by zale (Mark carroll)
Replied by zale (Mark carroll) on topic Re:ESB Outage
just on that John,

My electricity went for about 8 hrs 2 days ago. From 1am till 9am. I got up for work at 730, late and nearly cried, the temp on all my tanks had dropped 6 degrees. I had plastic bottles but no way of heating water so I wrapped the tanks with quilts and put a battery air pump under the internal filters and ran out the door.

My question is how do I (with as little mess as possible) stop the bacteria in an EXTERNAL filter from dying.

Anyone any tips or tricks on this one..


Mark

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27 Mar 2008 20:46 #8 by JohnH (John)
Replied by JohnH (John) on topic Re:ESB Outage

My question is how do I (with as little mess as possible) stop the bacteria in an EXTERNAL filter from dying.

Zale,
You've posed quite a question there - one, I think, there might be no real answer to...

When there have previously been 'well announced' ESB supply cuts, ie when they were working up on the wires locally I have used battery airpumps as you describe but also, and here's where the advance warning helps, to aerate the contents of part of each internal (the stuff which looks like nylon pot-scourers), taken out and put into a large bucket of tank water.

Sadly, though, not every 'outage' takes place this conveniently, as you found with your most recent 'trial'...I hope you suffered no losses as a result?

Other than that a small compressor would seem to be the only other practical way to go. I bought a small 2-stroke 800watt output one in B&Q before Christmas, having had a similar one when I lived in England which I brought over - I have used the older one several times, but as it's only 800w I only ever used it with Air Pumps and Filters - there's no way it could manage heaters as well.
Unfortunately as I have tanks in almost all my downstairs rooms the resultant extension leads all around resembled a Spider's Dining Room!!! I'll be much better able to cope once I finish my 'Fish Room' (if I ever do!!!) as then it will just be a case of bringing one lead in through a slightly opened window.

So, to summarise...(sorry, I wandered 'off thread') If you can take your internal(s) apart and aerate at least part of the media in a bucket of water (or similar) you should be fine, otherwise look out for the next time either B&Q or Aldi have them on 'special' and snap up a small compressor.
John

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N. Tipp

We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl - year after year.


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27 Mar 2008 21:54 #9 by zale (Mark carroll)
Replied by zale (Mark carroll) on topic Re:ESB Outage
Thanks John,

yea I would have taken out the media & stuck it into the tank if I had time this morning. But decide last night to have 15mins extra in bed & skip breakfast :blink: did I get a shock or wha!

Thankfully no casualties, hardy cichlids.

Thats the third power cut now that I had without actually knowing I had one, so before buying a generator, I'm going to look into a photo voltaic panel to run just the tanks & see if it's viable. (only just started researching it)


Mark

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28 Mar 2008 08:47 #10 by Oregato (William Li)
Replied by Oregato (William Li) on topic Re:ESB Outage
JohnH wrote:

sorry for sounding like an idiot


Not at all, no-one with genuine questions 'sounds like an idiot' - no way!

We are all learning - each and every day.

Very basically, and you will get subsequent replies explaining more fully than this, there are two types of beneficial bacteria living in your filtration system, one of which will only thrive in Oxygen-rich water and it's these which will die, for obvious reasons when the electricity fails for any length of time.

As Goldy was saying, they start to die off without oxygen pretty quickly but it does take a fair length of time before they are all irretrievably lost, I'm not sure about the timescale she quotes but if you can keep a battery-powered aerator passing air (and ultimately Oxygen) over the filter media the Oxygen-dependent bacteria will certainly live much longer than without it.

OK, that was a layman's reply, but I'm confident you'll get more precise information later on.

John


nice one man, thanks for the information. i understand now!!!

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