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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

Tanks in fishshops

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10 Nov 2008 22:57 #1 by dolf_peeters (Dolf Peeters)
I have noticed that in some fish shops chilids are in tanks with little or no 'homes', just empty tanks with sand or stones covering the bottom. some tanks have 2 -3 rocks but there could be 15 fish in same.

I thought they needed teretory(?spelling?), is that right?

Is it cruel to have them in those 'empty' tanks?

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10 Nov 2008 23:25 #2 by karlo (karlo kennedy)
from what im aware of, they really need them over a long time for if they are going to breed but for short terms it should be grand as that way they dont settel in the shop and then get streesed when moving, now i could be wrong with this and please tell me if i am :)

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11 Nov 2008 10:57 #3 by sheag35 (Seamus Gillespie)
there is three main reasons for keeping them in near bare or bare tanks, the first is the fish generally will not be in the tanks long enough to need territory as hopefully they'll be sold pretty fast, secondly have you ever tried to catch cichlids in a tank with rocks etc.. Major pain in the ass so it makes it easier for them to be caught for people like us, and finally the most important reason is that if they have no territory to fight over / defend they generally wont so they are in better condition (if maybe a little stressed)by not having these fights over their turf.
in your aquarium they need these rocks etc to establish a home / breeding site and it is better to have a couple of piles of rock rather than one big display so they can each have their own patch to defend.. but in a shop situation it just isnt visable to do this and not having it in the short term wont harm them
Seamus

Fishkeeping the Only way to get wet and wild

currently 25 tanks, and breeding is the aim of everything i keep
location:Limerick

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11 Nov 2008 13:45 #4 by BJHillson (Brett Hillson)
and its easier to keep clean and there for water quality should be better

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11 Nov 2008 17:09 #5 by dolf_peeters (Dolf Peeters)
ok, that clears that oup :)

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12 Nov 2008 19:17 #6 by Sean (Fr. Jack)
sheag35 wrote:

there is three main reasons for keeping them in near bare or bare tanks, the first is the fish generally will not be in the tanks long enough to need territory as hopefully they'll be sold pretty fast, secondly have you ever tried to catch cichlids in a tank with rocks etc.. Major pain in the ass so it makes it easier for them to be caught for people like us, and finally the most important reason is that if they have no territory to fight over / defend they generally wont so they are in better condition (if maybe a little stressed)by not having these fights over their turf.
in your aquarium they need these rocks etc to establish a home / breeding site and it is better to have a couple of piles of rock rather than one big display so they can each have their own patch to defend.. but in a shop situation it just isnt visable to do this and not having it in the short term wont harm them
Seamus


I agree with 99% of what you say, for sure you will do more damage trying to catch a fish in a heavily decorated tank, certain fish would benefit from a plastic pipe and nothing else in the bare bottom, bare of all decro tank, e.h kooli loach, clown loach, knife fish.

That would be a ecumenical matter!!!

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12 Nov 2008 19:25 #7 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
Whats the 1% disagreement Sean! lol

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