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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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31 Aug 2011 20:10 #1 by Luap (Paul O'Connell)
Hi All! I've recently been adding plants to my 190 litre Trigon. Lighting is 2 x 28W T5's with reflectors.I'm using CO2, Easy Carbo & Ferropol and also JBL 7 Balls as fertilizers. Nitrates are 10 and Ph is 6.6.The plants are growing well but I have a brown deposit on the leaves which rubs off when rubbed vigorously with my fingers. See attached photos. Is this a type of Algae? Is it from my 3 large pieces of bogwood? How do I get rid of it? Thanks.
Luap.
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31 Aug 2011 20:22 #2 by ceech (Desmond Gaynor)
Its looks like some kind of alge to me so it does you could get some moss balls they helped in my tank to keep algae at bay.
Out of interest do you have an air pump running in your tank ?

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31 Aug 2011 20:29 #3 by Luap (Paul O'Connell)
I have 5 moss balls in the tank already! Any other idea?!!! (I have an airpump running at night only)

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31 Aug 2011 20:30 #4 by stretnik (stretnik)
Replied by stretnik (stretnik) on topic Re: Plant problem.
Depends on how long the setup is/had been running, a newer setup can lead to the formation of a diatomaceous Algal bloom which looks like brown dust, nothing strange there and it should disappear as quickly as it came.

Nitrate is very high too.

Kev.

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31 Aug 2011 20:43 #5 by Luap (Paul O'Connell)
Kev,
The new plants have been added about 3 weeks ago but the tank has been running about a year. I did initially have some Java Ferns that had the same prob and I got rid of them as they nearly went black with this deposit, so it's not exactly a new problem if you follow me. I thought by adding co2 and fertilizing that it would stop the same thing happening with a new set of plants. The nitrates are 10 out of the tap. Do you think this could be an issue? Any other thoughts? Tks!

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31 Aug 2011 20:51 #6 by ceech (Desmond Gaynor)
why only run your air at night i ran mine all the time , even when i ran co2.
Is 10 really to high for No3 kev ?

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31 Aug 2011 21:09 - 31 Aug 2011 21:20 #7 by stretnik (stretnik)
Replied by stretnik (stretnik) on topic Re: Plant problem.
If you are trying to give Algae the brush off, no pun intended, the lower the better.

In Planted Tanks kept by advanced Aquairists, the ideals are 5-10 NO3 10 being the higher acceptable level.

Running CO2 all night will empty a cylinder quicker than you can imagine, it's of no benefit and if your Filter should falter due to clogging or the impellor getting clogged , CO2 could cause asphyxiation to your Fish and cause a sudden drop in ph.

Post a close-up photo to give a more detailed idea of what the problem looks like.

Kev
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31 Aug 2011 23:13 #8 by platty252 (Darren Dalton)
This usually appears after about 4-6 after a tank is set up and goes in a couple of days.
But since this is a well established tank something else is up.

You say you are adding fertz but what are you adding?
With a nitrate of 10ppm i would be adding phosphate (easy-life fosfo).
Nitrate and phosphate should be in line with each other with a ratio of roughly 16 parts nitrate to 1 part phosphate.

You could also add some ottocinclus catfish. But they will just hide the problem and not solve it.

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01 Sep 2011 09:26 #9 by Luap (Paul O'Connell)
Platy252,
I'm adding Ferropol, Ferropol 24+, and I have some of the JBL "7 Balls" (a fertilizer ball) in the gravel around the roots. I'm also using Easy Carbo & CO2. Do you think the easy-life fosfo would be worth a shot? I'm not familiar with it but will google it later. I did read somewhere that phosphate levels can affect algae production. I agree with what you say about the oto's, I really want to solve the root problem. I do have 2 SAE's who did a great job when I had BBA algae.

Stretnik,
I'll try and take a closer photo.

Ceech,
I'm only running the air at night as I read that too much agitation of the water can cause the CO2 to bubble off out of the water.

I don't think the problem is occuring due to the ferts as I had the deposits on the Java Ferns that I used have in the tank before I started using the ferts or CO2 or easycarbo. That's the reason I started using these additives, ie to give the plants every opportunity to thrive!

Thanks for all the help and insights so far! Keep them coming!
Paul.

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01 Sep 2011 11:22 - 27 Sep 2011 16:48 #10 by stretnik (stretnik)
Replied by stretnik (stretnik) on topic Re: Plant problem.
As everyone knows, we all have immune systems to combat, daily, attacks on out bodies and while not a solution to your problem, Plants have exactly the same thing but in a different form, this link below leads to a very interesting insight as to how Plants deal with attacks on them by Algae, diseases etc.

www.fishforums.net/index.php?/topic/1063...he-planted-aquarium/

www.plantedtank.net/forums/plants/118986...aquarium-plants.html


Kev..
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01 Sep 2011 19:50 #11 by Luap (Paul O'Connell)
Update!

I was talking to platy252 today over in Seahorse Aquariums and I'm going to bring a water sample over tomorrow to see if phosphates (and/or anything else) is low or out of spec etc. in the water. So we'll see where that takes us! I'm also going to get some Otocinclus catfish and let them at the algae.

Kev,
Platy252 reckons from the photos that you're spot on with your diagnosis (as usual!), ie diatomaceous algal bloom.

Will keep you posted of any progress etc. Thanks to all who replied, it's much appreciated.

Luap.

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26 Sep 2011 21:20 #12 by m4r10 (m4r10)
Replied by m4r10 (m4r10) on topic Re: Plant problem.
So I'm not the only one with this problem :) .

Over the years I tried over and over again to grow plants but the result was always the same, the plants got covered in the same type of algae as the OP and stop growing as the leaves are covered in the algae. The only solution was to wash the plants, but after a while this became impossible as the algae were covering more of the leaves and the only plant strong enough to support the weekely wash was Anubia.

I tried juggling with the lighting time per day, adding easycarbo (as CO2 at the moment is not possible), ferts, increasing the frequency of the water changes, so far nothing worked. I'm on the verge of giving up on the plants and using the plastic ones :angry:

I'm curious if the OP managed to address the algae problem and how?

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27 Sep 2011 16:05 #13 by Luap (Paul O'Connell)
Hi m4r10,
I'm not sure what you mean by "OP"...?!!!
Luap

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27 Sep 2011 16:14 #14 by m4r10 (m4r10)
Replied by m4r10 (m4r10) on topic Re: Plant problem.

Hi m4r10,
I'm not sure what you mean by "OP"...?!!!
Luap


Sorry for the confusion!
OP = original poster = that meant you

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28 Sep 2011 11:06 #15 by Luap (Paul O'Connell)
m4r10,
Aaah, I see! To answer your question, I've been using a multi faceted approach in trying to solve my Algae issues. In addition to fertilizer, CO2, easy carbo and Siamese Algae Eaters (SAE), I've also recently added some Otocinclus Catfish, which are doing a good job on the softer algae (diatoms). Between the Oto's and the SAEs they are doing a reasonably good job in keeping the Diatoms and BBA algae under control respectively. I also find that applying the Easy Carbo, with a syringe, directly onto the leaves kills off any Algae on a badly affected plant. After a few days you you should see a difference. (Careful not to overdose on the Easy Carbo!) I can't say that the problem is completely solved but all the above measures are certainly keeping it under control and I'm happy with the results. PM me and I will forward you my phone number if you wish to discuss further!
Best Regards,
The "OP"...!

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28 Sep 2011 22:07 #16 by m4r10 (m4r10)
Replied by m4r10 (m4r10) on topic Re: Plant problem.
Thanks OP ;) for the advice. I'm following more or less the same steps as you did, started to use dry ferts, Easycarbo (not directly on the plants though), have 3 SAE which by now are too big to be bothered with the algae. I'll try and apply the Easycarbo directly on the few Ludwigia repens which is the most affected. I'm reluctant to add more fish in the tank as I'm almost on the verge of overstocking (if not already there).

I'll see how things go over the next couple of weeks and then I'll take you on that telephone conversation offer.

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11 Oct 2011 01:38 #17 by A1_aquarist (Aidan Dalton.)
This is caused by Silicate in ur Water (your tap water is loaded with it by the sounds of things) Use a silicate remover in your filter. Adding the ferts is compounding the problem,remove silicate,clear algae,then add ferts! See my tank in Tropical plants section. Suffered with it myself years ago,it ruins plants,wastes ur money buying plants. Only solution lads is silicate free water,otherwise forget plants. Ease up on ferts,ur leaves look healthy and green under slime,so they not lacking nutrients. Its water quality. Reduce nitrates also,
DO NOT add phosphates! Trust me. Good luck,keep us posted. Cheers.:)

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11 Oct 2011 08:50 #18 by m4r10 (m4r10)
Replied by m4r10 (m4r10) on topic Re: Plant problem.
Apart from using RO water, how would you go about removing the silicate from the water?

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11 Oct 2011 09:18 #19 by stretnik (stretnik)
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That IS the ONLY way to remove it, it is naturally occurring and using RO will help to remove some of it, unless you intend to use 100% RO, which is is impossible to keep Fish in, you will always have some in suspension. You can have it removed but only by professional means and at a very great cost.There are suggestions that it occurs because of an incorrect Nitrate and Phosphate levels so using a phosphate-adsorbing resin could help but like I said, D Algae usually clears up of it's own accord.

If the problem IS Diatomaceous Algae it will die off when the nutrients in the Aquarium reach a balance.

Kev.

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11 Oct 2011 13:41 #20 by lawrenceog (Lawrence O Gorman)
If Silicates are the problem, it might not be your tap water remember it could also be leeching from you substrate, especially if you are using a sandy substrate and an acidic pH. Just something to keep in mind

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11 Oct 2011 13:49 #21 by lawrenceog (Lawrence O Gorman)

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11 Oct 2011 13:53 #22 by lawrenceog (Lawrence O Gorman)
NOTE: I have not used this product or read any reviews but it is an example of a silicate remover, without looking at it too closely Im guessing it will act like an ion mop so it may also remove some of the valuable trace ion needed for healthy plant growth. but it may be worth a try.

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11 Oct 2011 20:50 #23 by Luap (Paul O'Connell)
Thanks for the info & suggestions lads. The algae problem is pretty much under control at the moment. I had the Phosphates and Silicates checked about a month ago and measurements were Phosphates = 0.12 and Silicates = 1.2 ppm. I was told that this was within spec. What's your opinions on these level(s)?

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01 Nov 2011 00:23 #24 by omen (Conor)
Replied by omen (Conor) on topic Re: Plant problem.
You probably need to up your fert dosing, clean filter, and clean any wood. Also, aim to hit these levels:
Nitrate 20–30 ppm
Phosphate 1-3 ppm
Potassium 20-30ppm
CO2 30ppm

Hope its ok to link to external resources:
www.theplantedtank.co.uk/EI.htm

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