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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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03 Aug 2010 19:52 #1 by Ma (mm mm)
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Grabbed a plant I had seen while getting food.
Can someone ID please.

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03 Aug 2010 20:12 - 03 Aug 2010 20:13 #2 by Puddlefish (Colin McCourt)
Hi,
At a loss on this one as I cant find anything remotely like it in the Tropica plant catalogue
www.tropica.com/plants/use.aspx
Unless it a species of Echinodorus
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03 Aug 2010 20:22 #3 by Ma (mm mm)
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Cheers matey, having trouble myself, no name on it when I bought it, it is quite sturdy and smoth thick leaves, almost like plastic, lol, imagine it was :)

I'll have a look and maybe someone will jusp in later on, I am not great on plants at all.



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03 Aug 2010 20:23 #4 by JohnH (John)
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Mark,
Like C I'm not sure, but it looks like an emerse version of a Cryptocorine. These readily grow out of water and a lot of the pant Suppliers nowadays supply them in this form as they grow better and survive the rigours of 'delivery' better than those grown fully under the water.

Having said all that, I'll probably be proved wrong - again - but that's my suggestion.

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We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl - year after year.


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03 Aug 2010 21:09 - 03 Aug 2010 21:16 #5 by stretnik (stretnik)
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Looks like a form of Dracaena fragrans or sanderiana, formerly known as Cordyline, it's one of those stupid NOT AQUATIC plants that lfs insist on selling.

No one can attest to their toxicity in an aquarium like Ophiopogon or mondo Grass and others. They last a while but all in time, turn to mush.

Heaven knows the affect on herbivorous Fish.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dracaena_sanderiana

www.fishforums.net/index.php?/topic/2504...egit-aquarium-plant/

None of the Genus Dracaena are by any stretch of the imagination, aquatic and originate from tropical climes so can't be planted outside.

These are grown by nurseries removing the top few leafy parts of the stem and rooted in Water.

Kev.

Just found this, contradicts my ref to Fish eating them but who really knows?

www.tropica.com/plants/plantdescription.aspx?pid=157
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03 Aug 2010 21:45 - 03 Aug 2010 21:46 #6 by Ma (mm mm)
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Cheers gentlemen, I am inclined to agree, looking at it. I will keep it in and keep an eye on it, if it starts to go south in any way it is binned and lesson learned:)

John I have seen similar that grow out of the water and flower, though I am unsure but I would say this does.

Serves me right, saw them in with swords and others, Indian fern in there too so I thought, hey these would be nice, tough sand very green.

Cheers Kev, knew you'd have a clue. Will keep an eye on the plecos, nice one for the heads up, I'd crack if one got sick from them, and I would take the dead pleco to the petshop in question and slap the guy who sold me the plant in the face with the dead fish.


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03 Aug 2010 21:56 - 03 Aug 2010 22:07 #7 by stretnik (stretnik)
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Mark,

This plant id a monototyledenous plant of the Lily family, it will never grow out of your Tank, it is completely terrestrial, a woody perennial, it will turn to jelly without ever putting a single new leaf out, the nurserymen grow them hydroponically, with nutrient and Oxygen rich Water rushing by them continually. They only have the bottom 2 ins or so immersed in Water.

Kev.
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03 Aug 2010 21:59 - 03 Aug 2010 22:01 #8 by Ma (mm mm)
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stretnik wrote:

Mark,

This plant id a monototyledenous plant of the Lily family, it will never grow out of your Tank, it is completely terrestrial, a woody perennial, it will turn to jelly without ever putting a single new leaf out, the nurserymen grow them hydroponically, with nutrient and Oxugen rich Water rushing by them continually. They only have the bottom 2 ins or so immersed in Water.

Kev.


Cheers Kev, I am gonna take it back. Call em fkwads and get a refund.

I'd take your word over "theirs" any day!!


Thanks a mil.


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03 Aug 2010 22:25 #9 by stretnik (stretnik)
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FFFF have a nice selection at the moment, a nice staurogyne as a small spreader and lovely big Amazons etc. The reason I seem adamant is I know they are bloody expensive enough so you can get two decent real ones now.

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03 Aug 2010 22:32 - 03 Aug 2010 22:33 #10 by Ma (mm mm)
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stretnik wrote:

FFFF have a nice selection at the moment, a nice staurogyne as a small spreader and lovely big Amazons etc. The reason I seem adamant is I know they are bloody expensive enough so you can get two decent real ones now.

Kev.


I'll take a spin doon tommorow. I believe you are quite the study when it comes to horticulture.
Rustys eat swords for breakfast, veggies or not. Eat eat eat. thats why I took the harder looking ones, would have been better off with plastic ones, thats the funny bit.

I'll give the staurogyne a try and see if the clumsy behemoth of a panaque wont squash it.

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03 Aug 2010 22:35 #11 by Dioza (Adam Bell)
Yup a non aquatic. Had a pair of these bad boys myself, algae grew on them before any other part of the tank. Not a good sign :silly:

Get your money back, don't take any guff from them. When i was returning mine, here we go on a rant.

I took mine back after about a week, when i uploaded a picture to another forum and was told their non aquatic. When i got tho the shop i had perfect timing. Who was there only the supplier who sold the shop the plants. Not saying the shop had no part because they should have known better. But i digress, i then entered in an argument with the supplier representative. Now bear in mind i was told the name of the plant (can't recall now) so i did my research before going back. His reply to me saying "These plants are non aquatic, they are for a terrarium/vivarium" was "no they are aquatic, but like all aquatiuc plants they need to be taken out every few months and left to grow for a week or 2 out of water to recover"

I was gobsmacked, stood there till i got my refund and haven't bought anything but dry goods since. But if these are the types of people who are supplying the trade, what hope do we have? :P

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03 Aug 2010 22:45 #12 by Ma (mm mm)
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Dioza wrote:

Yup a non aquatic. Had a pair of these bad boys myself, algae grew on them before any other part of the tank. Not a good sign :silly:

Get your money back, don't take any guff from them. When i was returning mine, here we go on a rant.

I took mine back after about a week, when i uploaded a picture to another forum and was told their non aquatic. When i got tho the shop i had perfect timing. Who was there only the supplier who sold the shop the plants. Not saying the shop had no part because they should have known better. But i digress, i then entered in an argument with the supplier representative. Now bear in mind i was told the name of the plant (can't recall now) so i did my research before going back. His reply to me saying "These plants are non aquatic, they are for a terrarium/vivarium" was "no they are aquatic, but like all aquatiuc plants they need to be taken out every few months and left to grow for a week or 2 out of water to recover"

I was gobsmacked, stood there till i got my refund and haven't bought anything but dry goods since. But if these are the types of people who are supplying the trade, what hope do we have? :P




What was the location of said place, just wondering it if is the same area? I am the goods returner from hell btw:)
Take em out and let em recover, oh my. :laugh: Denying a lie with a bigger one, an auld Red trick.:laugh:

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03 Aug 2010 22:53 #13 by Dioza (Adam Bell)
One of the shops in Dundalk. Really not a great one. I'm finding it hard to home 3 tiger barbs so i'm going to see if they will take them. I really wish i had another option but its either that or send them down the loo. Come to think of it, following the brown trout could be a better faith for them.

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03 Aug 2010 23:07 - 03 Aug 2010 23:10 #14 by Ma (mm mm)
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I got mine in swords off the mainstreet.

One of my Friends on youtube, never met the guy we just subscribe to each others channel, although lookin at this I wonder why he looks at mine at all, maybe the critters as his thing is plants..

Heres one of his. I like this
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