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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)
Hi,
John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.
I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.
With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.
I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.
If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.
I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.
I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.
Thank you
Darragh Sherwin
How to price tank bred fish?
11 Nov 2012 20:05 #1
by Melander (Andreas Melander)
How to price tank bred fish? was created by Melander (Andreas Melander)
Just wondering what people’s thoughts are on selling/pricing tank bred fish.
What’s reasonable to expect to pay/sell tank bred fish for? Are there some general guidelines such as a certain percentage of what a fish would be in a LFS?
I’m not looking for an ultimate profit/supply & demand model only what’s reasonable. It’s a hobby after all.
Also, I have not seen that many tank bred fish for sale here on the forum, is there allot of trading going on within the clubs on meetings and such?
Melander
What’s reasonable to expect to pay/sell tank bred fish for? Are there some general guidelines such as a certain percentage of what a fish would be in a LFS?
I’m not looking for an ultimate profit/supply & demand model only what’s reasonable. It’s a hobby after all.
Also, I have not seen that many tank bred fish for sale here on the forum, is there allot of trading going on within the clubs on meetings and such?
Melander
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11 Nov 2012 20:25 - 11 Nov 2012 20:27 #3
by davey_c (dave clarke)
Below tank is for sale
my plywood tank build.
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Replied by davey_c (dave clarke) on topic How to price tank bred fish?
i've only charged about 1-2e for fish i bred but it depends on what your breeding and size at selling time!... some fishye couldn't give away and others are species most would love to keep so realy its up to the breeders. some species seem to be advertised for about 50% lfs prices whereas i've seen some advertised at very little under lfs prices so supose its trial/error
edit... also i don't mind being generous to generous buyers
edit... also i don't mind being generous to generous buyers
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11 Nov 2012 20:45 #4
by Melander (Andreas Melander)
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Thanks for the replies.
I have very little experience of this myself. Having sold to LFS alright but they seem to know themselves what to pay so there has not been much thinking from my part there, especially when you need to free up space.
Usually I would have gotten around 2 euro from a LFS for fish sold for 6-8 euro. Perhaps not much but it's always nice to get some "free" food or some money for the electricity bill as said before.
When it comes to selling privately i really don't know, perhaps it has allot to do with how fast you need to get rid of the fish.
Melander
I have very little experience of this myself. Having sold to LFS alright but they seem to know themselves what to pay so there has not been much thinking from my part there, especially when you need to free up space.
Usually I would have gotten around 2 euro from a LFS for fish sold for 6-8 euro. Perhaps not much but it's always nice to get some "free" food or some money for the electricity bill as said before.
When it comes to selling privately i really don't know, perhaps it has allot to do with how fast you need to get rid of the fish.
Melander
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11 Nov 2012 20:49 #5
by JohnH (John)
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We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl - year after year.
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Replied by JohnH (John) on topic How to price tank bred fish?
I tend to agree with Dave here.
Unless someone is trying to breed to make a profit (very unlikely in these times) then anywhere around half the shop price would seem to be pretty close (unless they're for me - then the advice would be to give them for free).
But, seriously now, I think that, whatever price is being asked for tank-bred fish the looked (hoped) for price should be left to PMs for disclosure. But that's only my view, others may disagree.
John
Unless someone is trying to breed to make a profit (very unlikely in these times) then anywhere around half the shop price would seem to be pretty close (unless they're for me - then the advice would be to give them for free).
But, seriously now, I think that, whatever price is being asked for tank-bred fish the looked (hoped) for price should be left to PMs for disclosure. But that's only my view, others may disagree.
John
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We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl - year after year.
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It's a long way to Tipperary.
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11 Nov 2012 20:57 #7
by davey_c (dave clarke)
Below tank is for sale
my plywood tank build.
www.irishfishkeepers.com/index.php/forum...k-build-diary#137768
Replied by davey_c (dave clarke) on topic How to price tank bred fish?
2e for a 6-8e fish isn't bad and quite a good starting point to guage interest. i can think of 1 lfs i wouldn't sell to myself because i've heard from the horses mouth their attitude towards buying from local breeders and it was degrading towards anyone enjoying that aspect of the hobby!!
i would start with that though and see if they move quick enough, if not you can lower if your happy to or just pass them on to lfs. although i personaly wouldn't use an lfs an my 1st point of call but thats just me, i'd pass the deals onto fellow fishkeepers instead
i would start with that though and see if they move quick enough, if not you can lower if your happy to or just pass them on to lfs. although i personaly wouldn't use an lfs an my 1st point of call but thats just me, i'd pass the deals onto fellow fishkeepers instead
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11 Nov 2012 21:07 #8
by Melander (Andreas Melander)
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@Sean I think you hit the head of the nail, it's very interesting trying to breed fish but breeding surprisingly could result in fry that need a home of their own. I'm surprised that you have to give them away to a LFS for free though could they not atleast throw a jar of food or something for the effort. Where they fish that are unsellable?
@Dave I agree with you about trying to sell to fishkeepers first. It's must however be much easier in urban areas and driving to one LFS saves on the petrol compared to driving to 10-20 individual keepers.
Melander
@Dave I agree with you about trying to sell to fishkeepers first. It's must however be much easier in urban areas and driving to one LFS saves on the petrol compared to driving to 10-20 individual keepers.
Melander
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11 Nov 2012 21:21 #9
by davey_c (dave clarke)
Below tank is for sale
my plywood tank build.
www.irishfishkeepers.com/index.php/forum...k-build-diary#137768
Replied by davey_c (dave clarke) on topic How to price tank bred fish?
that was 1 tight arse lfs sean ... ye know what they say about selling something ye got for free 
i wouldn't go delivering fish unless you were traveling their way... i'm in kildare and i find people often don't venture out of their county... must be too use to having things handed to them on a plate ... in reality your gonna get alot of "when are ye coming my direction" although ye could install a delivery charge
1 more thing, if i don't see a price i don't bother asking so bare in mind, i'm sure i'm not the only 1 so your best to show a price and people do what they want with it unless of course if your open to offers
... ye know what they say about selling something ye got for free i wouldn't go delivering fish unless you were traveling their way... i'm in kildare and i find people often don't venture out of their county... must be too use to having things handed to them on a plate
... in reality your gonna get alot of "when are ye coming my direction" although ye could install a delivery charge 1 more thing, if i don't see a price i don't bother asking so bare in mind, i'm sure i'm not the only 1 so your best to show a price and people do what they want with it unless of course if your open to offers
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11 Nov 2012 21:47 #11
by Melander (Andreas Melander)
Replied by Melander (Andreas Melander) on topic How to price tank bred fish?
Sounds like it's definitely worth taking into account how easy the fish are to get rid off before trying to breed anything from now on.
It’s probably always gonna be the same for us mud skippers anyway unless we breed something really rare.
Melander
It’s probably always gonna be the same for us mud skippers anyway unless we breed something really rare.
Melander
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12 Nov 2012 14:47 #15
by joemc (joe mc)
not degrading at all davey-c, what others do is no reflection of me, i gave a guy fish free for himself, the only condition was that if he was passing them on he gives them free to other fishkeepers on the forum and not sells them to them
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not degrading at all davey-c, what others do is no reflection of me, i gave a guy fish free for himself, the only condition was that if he was passing them on he gives them free to other fishkeepers on the forum and not sells them to them FOR SALE
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12 Nov 2012 15:12 #16
by bonzo (alistair mcareavey)
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I sold some fish to a lfs awhile ago for 5 and they sold them for 50. It amazes me that I can advertise fish for pittance and people will bypass them to buy the same fish in their lfs for 10 times more 
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12 Nov 2012 15:29 #17
by Acara (Dave Walters)
This is something I see a lot, people getting onto forums and complaining about the price of the lfs, yet guys are advertising great quality fry for a fraction of the price, and can't shift them, meanwhile all this Czech and Asian muck is flying out of the shops for several times the price. I don't have any experience running a lfs, but can imagine overheads would be quite high. I've also heard a bit from guys who've sold to shops, then seen their fish for 4-5 times the price in the shop,what did you expect, this is business, these guys have bills to pay. I would love to see a situation where shops could buy a lot more locally bred stock, as something that hasn't been mentioned is the huge carbon footprint involved in flying in stock all the time. The more of this foreign muck we buy, the more it will need to be produced, and the worse the production process will become.
Joe, I hear you on that front, I know of a keeper or 2 who is known for this sort of carry on. I have a few fish for sale currently(most(actually all) I will actually be giving for free), but won't advertise, as I know the same few names will be pm'ing me. But hey, that's just my thoughts, we're all different.
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I sold some fish to a lfs awhile ago for 5 and they sold them for 50. It amazes me that I can advertise fish for pittance and people will bypass them to buy the same fish in their lfs for 10 times more
This is something I see a lot, people getting onto forums and complaining about the price of the lfs, yet guys are advertising great quality fry for a fraction of the price, and can't shift them, meanwhile all this Czech and Asian muck is flying out of the shops for several times the price. I don't have any experience running a lfs, but can imagine overheads would be quite high. I've also heard a bit from guys who've sold to shops, then seen their fish for 4-5 times the price in the shop,what did you expect, this is business, these guys have bills to pay. I would love to see a situation where shops could buy a lot more locally bred stock, as something that hasn't been mentioned is the huge carbon footprint involved in flying in stock all the time. The more of this foreign muck we buy, the more it will need to be produced, and the worse the production process will become.
Joe, I hear you on that front, I know of a keeper or 2 who is known for this sort of carry on. I have a few fish for sale currently(most(actually all) I will actually be giving for free), but won't advertise, as I know the same few names will be pm'ing me. But hey, that's just my thoughts, we're all different.
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12 Nov 2012 15:31 - 12 Nov 2012 16:30 #18
by davey_c (dave clarke)
Below tank is for sale
my plywood tank build.
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Replied by davey_c (dave clarke) on topic How to price tank bred fish?
i would be very wary about taking free fish because any i have have been carrying parasites!... i remember this 1 time i took a members experience for granted and offered to take some free fish from them, thought it was very generous considering the considerable distance they came to drop them to me. unfortunately when i saw the young had badly clamped tails and deformed fins i felt concerned but didn't act immediately, which was mistake number 2 (mistake 1 being taken them to start with) so got them checked out and confirmed my suspicions... they came with parasites
i hadn't a quarantine tank so luckily enough an lfs agree'd to dose them under the conditions i accepted healthier specimens as an exchange.... i mean these were that badly deformed that ye couldn't give them away... the sad thing is i'm sure i'm not the only 1 this happened to but luckily enough all other members were honest enough
i hadn't a quarantine tank so luckily enough an lfs agree'd to dose them under the conditions i accepted healthier specimens as an exchange.... i mean these were that badly deformed that ye couldn't give them away... the sad thing is i'm sure i'm not the only 1 this happened to but luckily enough all other members were honest enough
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12 Nov 2012 17:31 - 12 Nov 2012 17:34 #20
by davey_c (dave clarke)
Below tank is for sale
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Replied by davey_c (dave clarke) on topic How to price tank bred fish?
can't recall what type to be honest as its been quite a while since that incident but supose we all live and learn!!
maybe people are cautious when offered free fish so most end up in lfs anyways so OP take it as it comes because as said they'll only be worth what people are willing to pay for them
maybe people are cautious when offered free fish so most end up in lfs anyways so OP take it as it comes because as said they'll only be worth what people are willing to pay for them
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12 Nov 2012 20:09 #22
by Acara (Dave Walters)
Depends really, I know many keepers I'd happily buy off, and a good few of them have offered to give me free fish. I would give them a few bob at least, I wouldn't just take them. Although I have in the past! What goes around comes around I reckon. Just like buying from a shop, have a look at them first, study them a bit, we should know what to look for, and not just be the first to write 'pm sent' on a 'free fish' thread. That way we've only ourselves to blame should we find a problem.
I have bought fish from all the main sponsors and have had problems with them.
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can't recall what type to be honest as its been quite a while since that incident but supose we all live and learn!!
maybe people are cautious when offered free fish so most end up in lfs anyways so OP take it as it comes because as said they'll only be worth what people are willing to pay for them
Depends really, I know many keepers I'd happily buy off, and a good few of them have offered to give me free fish. I would give them a few bob at least, I wouldn't just take them. Although I have in the past! What goes around comes around I reckon. Just like buying from a shop, have a look at them first, study them a bit, we should know what to look for, and not just be the first to write 'pm sent' on a 'free fish' thread. That way we've only ourselves to blame should we find a problem.
I have bought fish from all the main sponsors and have had problems with them.
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12 Nov 2012 21:31 #24
by Sean OC (Sean OConnell)
We generally sell on local breeders fish for twice what we pay plus vat.
Replied by Sean OC (Sean OConnell) on topic How to price tank bred fish?
I sold some fish to a lfs awhile ago for 5 and they sold them for 50. It amazes me that I can advertise fish for pittance and people will bypass them to buy the same fish in their lfs for 10 times more
I've also heard a bit from guys who've sold to shops, then seen their fish for 4-5 times the price in the shop,what did you expect, this is business, these guys have bills to pay. I would love to see a situation where shops could buy a lot more locally bred stock, as something that hasn't been mentioned is the huge carbon footprint involved in flying in stock all the time. The more of this foreign muck we buy, the more it will need to be produced, and the worse the production process will become.
We generally sell on local breeders fish for twice what we pay plus vat.
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13 Nov 2012 20:25 #26
by Melander (Andreas Melander)
Replied by Melander (Andreas Melander) on topic How to price tank bred fish?
Thanks for all the replies and views, much appreciated.
Personally I would have assumed that most breeders would produce a high quality of fish. Having selected the parents, reared the young and probably being in it for the interest rather than making money compared to the mass produced fish often imported.
I would gladly buy fish from a good breeder, knowing that it for instance had not travelled; in theory should have a lesser chance of having pests, perhaps even having a chance of seeing the parent fish before purchase etc.
Also, would not a breeder selling low quality stock put him/herself open for critique by doing just that, especially on a forum.
I too would travel for the right fish (and have plenty of times) and it really is a shame hearing that reputable breeders can’t sell their stock but LFS’s can. Maybe there are plenty of people visiting the shops that just don’t have access to the ads for these fish (this forum).
It’s sad to hear what happened to both Joe and Davey, I hope that both those instances were one off events but unfortunately there will always be some ****** out there.
Melander
Personally I would have assumed that most breeders would produce a high quality of fish. Having selected the parents, reared the young and probably being in it for the interest rather than making money compared to the mass produced fish often imported.
I would gladly buy fish from a good breeder, knowing that it for instance had not travelled; in theory should have a lesser chance of having pests, perhaps even having a chance of seeing the parent fish before purchase etc.
Also, would not a breeder selling low quality stock put him/herself open for critique by doing just that, especially on a forum.
I too would travel for the right fish (and have plenty of times) and it really is a shame hearing that reputable breeders can’t sell their stock but LFS’s can. Maybe there are plenty of people visiting the shops that just don’t have access to the ads for these fish (this forum).
It’s sad to hear what happened to both Joe and Davey, I hope that both those instances were one off events but unfortunately there will always be some ****** out there.
Melander
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