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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

Cherry Barbs Spawned.

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12 Feb 2009 12:37 #1 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
Came home last night to find that there were eggs on my tank glass! I suspect its the cherry barbs that have been chasing one another alot recently in a show of courting!
The other suspects would be the bronze corys,however I have never had them spawn over the past year Ive had them so highly unlikely they have been at it!
So its the cherry barbs by the sounds of it. I have left them on the glass, while I was tempted to remove to them to a separate tank with a razor blade, however I decided to let nature takes its course on this occassion, however the eggs are still all on the glass some 24 hours later now! Most are still fine,one or two are turning white so they will become food at some stage.
I have some guppy fry already in the breeders net so Ive enough newbies to keep me going,although I imagine I will try to save them if they hatch at all.

Gavin

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12 Feb 2009 14:58 #2 by JohnH (John)
My guess would be the Corys, for what that's worth.
Cherry Barb eggs really are very small, if they're stuck onto the tank glass etc it will almost certainly be your Catfish - see Daragh Owens' video on his Schultzi spawning.

Small Barbs, like the Cherries and Chequers do lay adhesive eggs but almost without exception in bushy plants. And as previously stated, they are really quite hard to see with the naked eye.

Still, look on the bright side, that's their first time in the last year, this is a bonus!

From your description your Cherry Barbs could well have spawned too, but the eggs will very likely have been eaten - I've seen them lay eggs then turn around and eat them before they reach the safety of the plants!

If you can try to salvage a few eggs, you can never have too many Corys!!!

John

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12 Feb 2009 15:03 #3 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
Im actually hoping they are corys eggs!!! I love Corys.
I might just salavage a few of them tonight,Ill see what happens.
Is it likely now that given they have spawned once that they will now make it a regular event.? (Im at work so as soon as I get home,the eggs could actually be gone?!)
Gavin

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12 Feb 2009 16:04 #4 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
How long before they hatch? 48 hours?

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12 Feb 2009 22:40 #5 by JohnH (John)
48 hours is a trifle over-optimistic, I'm afraid, mine always took at least twice that time, but I always bred them at cooler temperatures - probably as low as 68f. And at such low temperatures egg development is much slower than up in the 80s.
You will, of course, be aware that even when they do hatch they will not be in a position to feed, unlike your livebearer fry which will eat almost as they are being ejected by the mother. Corydoras fry, upon hatching (and this is true for almost all egg-layer fry) are little trembling lads which still have their (egg)yolk sac to absorb the nutrition from. This can take a further three days (temperature-dependent again) and any food you try to give them will remain uneaten until they start 'rooting' around for food, this is the time to offer small amounts of food at pretty regular intervals. Newly-hatched Brineshrimp, in my opinion, is far and away the best 'first' food for them with Micro Worms a good second. Grindal Worms are the next food to wean them on to, but still keep the Brine Shrimps going in - the love 'em, even adult Corys will eat them almost in preference to anything else!

Out of interest, did this spawning follow a water change? - Most Corys seem to respond to the influx of fresh water - especially if it's cooler than their tank water. If they're ready to breed, that is...they are definitely stimulated by this - it almost acts as a 'trigger'. But don't be fooled, this will only work, as stated, with fish ready to breed - I've lost count of the times I gave tried to make unready Corys breed by cooler fresh water changes. It seems you can prompt them but not make them...but now yours have, probably every second or third week, after having bred today sounds about right.

John

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13 Feb 2009 09:21 #6 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
Thanks for that John,
I actually watched the tank last night for a good while and many of them hatched in front of my eyes! It was rather special to see it for the first time in the tank. What wasnt so special was how helpless they were when they are born and the neon and molly's ravishing them!
I decided not to try and save them this time around,I did some research on how to save them next time and will remove them from the tank next time around and hopefully raise a few of them.
I think Corys are fantastic.

It was amazing watching the eggs hatch,I could see them wriggling around inside of their eggs for a while and then they pop out, tiny tadpole like in appearance and swimming hard against a current,they drop to the bottom then and if they arent eaten on the way down they hit the gravel and bury away into it. (Presume they may indeed get wedged down there also).Anyhow likelihood of them surviving now is highly unlikely but next time I will be ready. Im hooked now on making them survive next time around!! Fantastic to watch I must admit,I decided to turn the lights off after a while at least to give them a chance to get to the bottom of the tank but with no prepared food source for them Id imagine they will not survive beyond the eating of the embyro stage.

Nonetheless, Im hoping now that my corys will make a regular event of it.
I didnt do a water change to trigger it either,only thing that may have effected them was I turned up the filter output, so hence more movement in the water and that may have prompted them to go about spawning. Otherwise its perfect!

Gavin

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15 Feb 2009 15:58 #7 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
Well, Ive changed the subject here to Cory Fry have breed. As per my tale last week, the eggs hatched and well they were either eaten or went to the gravel.
Today, I doing a water change, and low and behold the Cory fry are now free swimming but were rooted in the gravel. Many of them went into the dish that I was using after my water vacumn sucked them up during my clean. I then got a straw and slowly sucked the fish out of the dish and placed them into my quarantine tank. While I would of preferred to add them to the water from the tank they were born, it was needed to be done in a rush and again I wasnt exactly expecting cory fry in the tank when I started the clean!

So now, its a Sunday and I have them in the QT tank. They are tiny, dark but tiny. They remain silent and still on the bottom of the QT tank. (I did a 20% change on the QT Tank prior to adding them and also reduced the flow on the filter as well as adding some female black tights wrapped around the filter input so the fish wouldnt be sucked into the filter.I would of preffered an airstone and sponge but again I have what I have as they say.

Now some of the cory fry and swimming around now and then,the tank is complety bare but for the fry,heater and filter. For some reason there is also some dirt on the bottom of the tank that I have tried to remove as I know I need to keep it clean.
So what do I feed the cory fry now. I doubt the LFS up the road have brine shrimp so Im stuck needing to feed them something. Anyone able to help please.

All I have re food, is flake,some frozen,ground bloodworms(its actually just a red dust that none of my fish have ever eaten),and algae wafers,livebearer liquid fry no2 also.

Anyone able to offer me some advise please. I didnt get all the cory fry from the main tank,I would say there are about 12 fry in the QT tank now. Probably many more in the main tank burrowed amongst the gravel,will they survive?
I really need to know what food to get right now.

Gavin

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15 Feb 2009 16:30 #8 by Daragh_Owens (Daragh Owens)
Managed to miss this thread before now.

Congrats on the cory spawning. You are now infected with coryitus, very hard to cure!

If the little lads survived the change to the QT tanks and remember at that stage they are very sensitive to a change in water parameters, you might manage to keep a few alive. If you have no brine shrimp or sny other live food to give them I suggest a good squeeze of a sponge for the main tank, there will be plenty in that to keep them going for a few days, you could also grind up between your fingers some flake food until it is just powder and put that in - but only add a tiny tiny tiny amount of it.

When corys spawn in a community tank, invariably one or two manage to survive, so they are hardly little things, but with a little help and the right conditions a batch of 150 or 200 from a healthy pair of bronze would not be unusual.

Good luck with them.

Daragh

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15 Feb 2009 22:47 #9 by cardinal (Lar Savage)
Gavin
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15 Feb 2009 22:47 #10 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
Thanks Darragh,
They are in the QT tank now,they appear fine still. I need to do a very small clean tomorrow of the bottom of the tank. Should I do 20% water changes every day still ?
I was also considering, would it be an idea to keep them in a hatching box in the main tank in future, I'll this lot in the QT.

Im heading away on Thursday until Sunday, will they be alright over this period if I gave a squeeze of the filter sponge from the main tank before I leave?

Gavin

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15 Feb 2009 23:54 - 15 Feb 2009 23:57 #11 by Daragh_Owens (Daragh Owens)
Fishowner wrote:

Thanks Darragh,
They are in the QT tank now,they appear fine still. I need to do a very small clean tomorrow of the bottom of the tank. Should I do 20% water changes every day still ?
I was also considering, would it be an idea to keep them in a hatching box in the main tank in future, I'll this lot in the QT.

Im heading away on Thursday until Sunday, will they be alright over this period if I gave a squeeze of the filter sponge from the main tank before I leave?

Gavin


Only clean the tank of uneaten food, the mulm that occurs naturally will give them something to browse on and in small quantities will do them no harm.

They should be fine while you are away, if you have any java moss stick that in too, lots to eat in there if you are a cory fry.

A breeding trap in the main tank is a good idea for small numbers but if you want to raise a lot a small tank is better filled with water from the main tank. Here is a poor photo of about a half batch of C Schultzei, they are very similar to Bronze in breeding / qauntities etc.



Daragh

PS. Those fry were only in the bowl for moving on to a bigger tank, they were about 10 days old. They were raised in a small show tank.
Last edit: 15 Feb 2009 23:57 by Daragh_Owens (Daragh Owens). Reason: Photo size, or lack of :-)

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16 Feb 2009 22:30 #12 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
I found 2 or 3 dead fry today, have removed them and will do a partial water change tomorrow. The corys are beginning to move around alittle bit now but generally stay still on the bottom. Im hoping to have some microworms tomorrow courtesy of the v generous Lar.(Cardinal a big thank you).
So if I get them they will be hopefully in better form and will begin to thrive perhaps. I know its not yet a week old,but there are about 10 in the QT tank at the moment, I may do another partial water change on the main tank tomorrow and see if I find a few more.

Gavin

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16 Feb 2009 23:07 #13 by cardinal (Lar Savage)
Gavin
They were posted to ya today...so you should have them soon. ... :) :)
Lar

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17 Feb 2009 00:38 #14 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
Thanks again Lar.

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17 Feb 2009 20:17 #15 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
Found a few more dead ones today,removed them and also removed some uneaten food. Im going to put some Java Moss in it this evening. I reckon there is about 5 or 6 fry in there at present.I may do a partial water change tomorrow of the other tank and if there are a few fry from there I will transfer across as well.

Gavin

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18 Feb 2009 00:58 #16 by Daragh_Owens (Daragh Owens)
The move from one tank to another at such a young age would have weakened them, so don't be surprised or put off if they die. You will get another batch in a couple of weeks or even sooner and next time you will be prepared.

The Corydoras napoensis I have had for nearly two years spawned for the first time today, but I was in Belfast and when I got home most of the eggs were eaten, I only got to say a few - that's the way it goes.

Daragh

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18 Feb 2009 22:38 #17 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
Just 4 left there now, I got some microworms today from Lar and put them into the tank and they seemed to really get the corys moving! Im going to put one of the rocks from my other tank into the QT tonight as its full of Java Moss, so lots of eating there Id imagine while Im away.

Gavin

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19 Feb 2009 01:25 #18 by Daragh_Owens (Daragh Owens)
The rock and java moss will keep them going. Just remember that the amount of food required for four cory fry is absolutely tiny, overfeeding is much more likely to kill them than underfeeding. Fingers crossed for the last four.

Daragh

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