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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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26 Jul 2011 17:18 #1 by BlueRam (Sean Crowe)
ok so my head is messed up i got a few pieces of peat off a fella is a petshop in tallaght few months ago and he said it was most peat and was in hard lumps and he told me to put some in tights and put in tank

so i dont this and worked very well for me as my PH was over 8 and it got it down to 7.5 and didnt have a problem with the PH since

now that thing is my ph in both off the tanks i have up and running is over 8 again and lookin to find some off it to put in to get the PH down again but when i go into garden centers the most peat they have is like soil and not turf like which it the stuff i got in the first place if anyone knows wat this is and where i would get it would be a great help thanks

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26 Jul 2011 18:19 #2 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
The stuff you were given was probably (??) a piece of sphagnum moss turf (and maybe even nicked from the wicklow mountains !!).

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26 Jul 2011 18:29 #3 by BlueRam (Sean Crowe)
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he got it in a garden center and i went up to the place he said he got it but they didnt know wat i was on about ha

ian is there anything i can get handy like in a garden center or anything that u know that is the same

thanks for the reply mate

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26 Jul 2011 18:33 #4 by BlueRam (Sean Crowe)
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ian i looked up that sphagnum moss turf but no that was not it the stuff i was given looked more like this and when i googled this i put in turf? so not sure but this is wat it looked like



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26 Jul 2011 18:44 #5 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
They also sell turf preformed into bricks for fires etc.

If someone went out into the mountains and ripped up a wad of sphagnum moss turf it would look like a piece of turf dug from the garden (it may be a messy mess or a nice little piece of cut-earth).

Unless you have loads of tanks, you'd probably find that the JBL peat is the best option......you know it is safe.
There may well be stuff in garden centres that is fine, but you'd need to know if it has any wetting agent (soap) or chalk added.

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26 Jul 2011 18:55 #6 by BlueRam (Sean Crowe)
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ill have a look around its just the stuff i got first was handy and done the job well but ill have to think about the JBL peat if i cant get me hands on it thanks sean

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26 Jul 2011 20:01 #7 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
Shops who stock the fuller JBL range will have it....I get mine from seahorse, but I also know FFF do a large range of JBL stuff.

I'm pretty particular about what I use as this is used on discus, chocolate and other gouramis, african cichlids (not them lake things though :)) and others requiring low salt content water but peaty at the same time.

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26 Jul 2011 20:32 - 26 Jul 2011 20:52 #8 by stretnik (stretnik)
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Being a Horticulturalist, I use this regularly, any decent grower or Nursery will have peat only product, they buy it in without any nutrients added, so it's perfect in an Aquarium, shop brought products are way over priced, you will get a 200 litre bale for under a tenner.

I Don't have any at the moment.

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26 Jul 2011 21:50 #9 by igmillichip (ian millichip)

Being a Horticulturalist, I use this regularly, any decent grower or Nursery will have peat only product, they buy it in without any nutrients added, so it's perfect in an Aquarium, shop brought products are way over priced, you will get a 200 litre bale for under a tenner.

I Don't have any at the moment.

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I used to have a load of live sphagnum moss that I cultivated for orchids......that would also go into my killifish tanks. I've limited liver sphagnum moss left (and not stolen from the wilds of ireland either).

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27 Jul 2011 08:27 #10 by christyg (Chris Geraghty)

ian i looked up that sphagnum moss turf but no that was not it the stuff i was given looked more like this and when i googled this i put in turf? so not sure but this is wat it looked like



What you've got there is good old fashioned sods of turf dug from an Irish bog, its what people down the country use to heat their homes instead of coal or oil :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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27 Jul 2011 08:35 #11 by christyg (Chris Geraghty)

ian i looked up that sphagnum moss turf but no that was not it the stuff i was given looked more like this and when i googled this i put in turf? so not sure but this is wat it looked like



What you've got there is good old fashioned sods of turf dug from an Irish bog, its what people down the country use to heat their homes instead of coal or oil :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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27 Jul 2011 12:13 #12 by davey_c (dave clarke)
haha, we use turf during the winter months and TBH you can't beat turf... use to cut and foot it as a young lad up sallygap... oh the memories :laugh: .... utilising your natural resorces is not classed as stealing from nature because you cannot own what is wild :angel:

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27 Jul 2011 14:53 #13 by BlueRam (Sean Crowe)
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Dave i tried that bogwood but wouldn't work as good well I think anyway I asked the fella I got it off today and he said that it was a peat briquettes and can get them in any garden centre and petrol stations but dunno like doesn't seem like they would be ok to use in a tank but it worked before for me ???

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27 Jul 2011 19:47 #14 by christyg (Chris Geraghty)
The sods of turf are natural, straight out of the ground and dried. Briquettes are turf mould (basically powdered sods) treated in a factory and pressed into shape.

Also, some of the turf products bought in garden centres would be treated or have additives, so mightn't always be safe for use in aquarium.

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28 Jul 2011 19:45 #15 by BlueRam (Sean Crowe)
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would there be any way to find out if it would be safe to use ????

thanks for the reply lads

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29 Jul 2011 08:31 #16 by Zoom (Zoom)
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Dont use peat briquettes the factory compressed ones ,(Bord na Mona bales) I tried it before in a killie tank.

It is terrible nearly lost the fish. Left it soaking in water for a few weeks to soften it , looked good dropped the pH but had bad effect on fish.

The sods of turf are grand I use them now when I can get them , just leave them in the water tank for refilling haven't tried it in my Discus tank yet.

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29 Jul 2011 10:03 #17 by BlueRam (Sean Crowe)
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Where would I get sods off turf??

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29 Jul 2011 12:09 - 29 Jul 2011 12:10 #18 by wylam (Stuart Sexton)
@davey c,

I might be worng but wasn't there a big who ha recently in the news over the government making it illegal now to cut bog turf without a licence? Even if you own the land its on and have farmed bog turf their for generations i think there is some law now that make's it illegal to do so.But this might not be in effect just yet, maybe soemthing they were thinking of doing. If anyone has facts on weather this is true or not please fell free.

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29 Jul 2011 12:51 #19 by christyg (Chris Geraghty)

Where would I get sods off turf??


You'll probably have to go to the country

@davey c,

I might be worng but wasn't there a big who ha recently in the news over the government making it illegal now to cut bog turf without a licence? Even if you own the land its on and have farmed bog turf their for generations i think there is some law now that make's it illegal to do so.But this might not be in effect just yet, maybe soemthing they were thinking of doing. If anyone has facts on weather this is true or not please fell free.

Cheers Stuart.

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29 Jul 2011 22:19 #20 by BlueRam (Sean Crowe)
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ah tot it would be easy to get wonder if anyone on the forums has some im in the dunshaughlin area

would be a great help thanks

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27 Aug 2011 09:08 #21 by thesenator (thesenator)
You could try this. Works very well. Will start adding it to my tank soon.

www.marksfish.me.uk/index.php/Tips/Peat-Filtering.html

Shamrock peat moss is about €6 for 125l bag in most garden centres. Make sure it's peat moss NOT compost.

As a culshi it's pretty funny having someone searching for turf! Try your local fuel merchant.

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23 Oct 2012 19:31 #22 by Ma (mm mm)
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I've a black sack of the broken down moss peat. Same stuff. Have started to use it in my substrate. Have been using it to treat water changes for over a year, not a bother.

Stuff I have though, like soil, it takes the pH down below 6 possibly 5, my pH indicator card cant measure, I need a low range test kit.

The broken down stuff is far more effective in lowering the pH than the lumps but obviously be careful, 7 to 5 is a big instant drop, that's a couple of hours acclimatisation jobby.


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23 Oct 2012 19:44 #23 by BlueRam (Sean Crowe)
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Mark hows things thanks for the info mate,

I started this a good while back when i started keeping a lot off soft water fish did work a small amount as in the brick but i found RO water to work a lot better for me and this is what i use now aswell as a soil for the bottom to reduce the PH.

Any photos off what you are using?

Do you just leave it in the bottom off your water change bin?

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23 Oct 2012 20:21 #24 by Q_Comets (Declan Chambers)
Do the likes of shamrock or Erin have to put on the bag if there are fertilisers or wetting agents in the bag with the peat?

I picked up a bag of Erin stuff but have been worried about using it, was planning a tight ful in water change bin.

Anyone using Erin Irish moss peat?

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23 Oct 2012 21:12 #25 by joemc (joe mc)
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Erin moss peat is exactly what it says on the bag. 100% moss peat, nothing added and is safe to use in your tank / filters
a 100 litre bale should cost you about €6.50 a 200 litre bale about €9- 10
avoid any potting composts potting soils etc as they all have nutrients added, and often have lime added to raise the ph. Some also have wetting agents added to make it easier to rewet and to slow down drying out of the composts, the usual one used is P4 gel and most of them are not pure peat moss, they are usually a mix of composted materials

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23 Oct 2012 21:52 #26 by Q_Comets (Declan Chambers)
Thanks. Now to locate a pair of tights without getting in trouble with Missus.

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23 Oct 2012 22:50 #27 by igmillichip (ian millichip)

Thanks. Now to locate a pair of tights without getting in trouble with Missus.


Pennies do 5 pairs in a pack (for a euro or 2) of pop-sox......they are the right denier rating (not too low, not too high) for filters as well.

......and how do you know that your missus would not approve of your tights buying? ;)
nothing wrong with a bit of spice (it's the modern world) :evil: :evil:

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24 Oct 2012 08:01 #28 by Q_Comets (Declan Chambers)
Pennies probably safer than wife's pop socks stock. My fishnets just didn't work too well for filter media, Missus wasn't sure either :lol: :lol:

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24 Oct 2012 11:31 - 24 Oct 2012 11:32 #29 by Ma (mm mm)
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Mark hows things thanks for the info mate,

I started this a good while back when i started keeping a lot off soft water fish did work a small amount as in the brick but i found RO water to work a lot better for me and this is what i use now aswell as a soil for the bottom to reduce the PH.

Any photos off what you are using?

Do you just leave it in the bottom off your water change bin?

Sean


No pics at present, gave a bit away when the fish all went last week, very dark brown loose peat. Very moist, not dry at all.

Not suitable for tights lovers :laugh:

If you put it in the bin, in a day or three it will sink to the bottom where it pretty much looks and feels like mud. Same in a tank though it does need a stir now and again.

I'm able to keep just a 54 litre now so I can go all out with this, peat n heat all the way for rummies and ancistrus. I boil the temp hardness off and into the peat it goes.

There is a visible difference with Rummy nose general behavior when your kH gH is below 2 and pH 6ish compared to even just 7pH and 3kH gH or above. I think mine are getting frisky. :)

I've started to phase in the peat into my substrate day by day, i'll go about 50\50 mixed substrate\peat.

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24 Jan 2013 22:52 #30 by Wackoo (Niall)
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Just want to say i really enjoyed reading this topic!

I'm looking to lower my pH and this has helped me no end! :)

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